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Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

2160844 — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:27:27 GMT

Heh. Fun times.

At that time I was down on Velen not being good enough because we were missing a card or two as we 'needed' some cards to not just lose to random stuff, and we didn't get the mental blocks off until seeing Corle's list. We then just jettisoned the dead weight and it paid off. But it was basically my back up band already if I couldn't figure out the Jaina mirror (or, I guess, if I flubbed the Constructed qualifiers 1-2 playing against random jank... not that I'm bitter or anything :P).

This map is still ludicrous though. I hate it with a passion unequaled in all Creation.

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

1811756 — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:03:57 GMT

1207521:

RE: Savin, Velen band

If you're attending DMF Boston, I'll happily play that matchup against you. I'm not entirely sure I'm correct, but I feel like HHT Brick should be a harder matchup than that will be for JZoo.

-Ben

I was going back trying to construct a forum post ( rather than pure hearsay or annecdote ) timeline of the evolution of the Savin, Velen, Graccus band and I saw this post by Ben. Its all meant in good fun :)

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

1207521 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:40:43 GMT

They'll both work based on the situation, it's just a question of whether -1 armor or taunt/protector is going to be a greater problem, though I did obv brain-fart the hunter attacks slamming into Savin. Shouldn't be so polite BB, ;).

-Ben

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

2941358 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:11:05 GMT

irana u dont know how to play velen sooooo quite plz

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

2310435 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:08:38 GMT

Getting back on track. release date for the next set
WORLD OF WARCRAFT MINIS: SOULS/VENGEANCE BOOSTER
8/18/2009

Which is right after gencon, though you probably will see them at GenCon.

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

2440486 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:34:18 GMT

How about this: at the Boston DMF, lets see what happens when I play against Jaina, and let's go from there.

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

2440486 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:31:58 GMT

I realize that the cost is split, and I apologize for not wording my post correctly. FYI, you can't poly Savin with my cleanse being on Hoodon. I have playtested mort vs this team,and Velen won about 4/6 of the time. And I'm not saying that the debufs won't deal any damage, I'm saying that the damage will be easily healed off by my two FoL.

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

2160844 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:57:39 GMT

2440486:

Are you calling Velen not offensive? He, with Savin, has a 2 tick 6 die attack with an excellent crit!

Untrue. Blessing of Wisdom does not reduce cost, it splits it. The attack still costs 3. The distinction is important. It means you have a fig that's more or less useless.

2440486:

Against morts, if I pack 2 cleanses, they cant do anything to debuff me.

This tells me you never played the matchup. 2x Corruption and 3x Curse of Agony overwhelms even two Cleanse. I'm not sure what's the sixth card to bring in, Jhuroon isn't great but Curse of Weakness would probably completly neuter your team unless you save up one Cleanse for it.

2440486:
I can camp the vp point, and if you bring santurias, if you kill one of my people, they all die.

Mort doesn't play Santuria.

2440486:
Against Jaina, my Prophet is getting a little damage from pets. Big whoop. With BoK, he has 4 armor next to Hoodon. Kaustons or Rynos aren't going to punch any damage through with Savin protecting, and if the kaustrons crit, it only makes Savin more of a defensive beast.

Polymorph Savin then alpha strike on Velen is a better play than Polymorph Hodoon, IMO, not to rag too much on Isgee. :)

I probably just need one kill on Velen, since you won't be able to ever get your hands on my guys and time will be called before you've closed the deal. You only have Velen as any sort of damage dealer.

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

2440486 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:36:42 GMT

My opinion is based on some playtesting I did with a couple friends, so you could be right as well as wrong. I just want to play it out at DMF Boston if you are attending. the whole point of this game is to have fun, is it not? So why don't we see who wins at Boston.

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

1207521 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:15:09 GMT

If you're attending DMF Boston, I'll happily play that matchup against you. I'm not entirely sure I'm correct, but I feel like HHT Brick should be a harder matchup than that will be for JZoo.

-Ben

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

2440486 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:42:03 GMT

1207521:
If I was a semi-competent player playing Vashj and I lost to you, I would be very depressed. Vashj destroys Savin teams badly.

Mortimers you might? beat. Your team is 26 honor and you have no offense at all unless you attack with Savin. Savin attacking results in Hodoon dying as I use my pets to force you to tick up while I use my portal to burst Hodoon.Velen does 7 damage per 10 ticks unless you BoW, with BoW we'll say 10 per 10, so if we play a full 20 ticks you would kill MAYBE 2 Mortimers plus 12 VP, so 6 away? You think over 20 ticks 3 Mortimer's can't get 13 VPs? I'm pretty sure something will die.

TBQH, I'm pretty sure you lose to Jaina Zoo also. Played well, I'm pretty sure I would just polymorph Hodoon after setting up a spot where my pets could get to Velen. It's impossible for Savin to manage to keep him completely safe unless you refuse to tick up more than 1, as soon as you Flash, Attack, possibly even BoW, the Prophet will end up dead to Zoo-burst.

BlackBloc: I think you're a bit too pessimistic, there is other playable stuff in the meta that's less discovered, but it is very hard to beat both Jaina and HHT/Mort/Vashj.

-Ben

Are you calling Velen not offensive? He, with Savin, has a 2 tick 6 die attack with an excellent crit! Plus, having a wrath totem and a hill would only further his damage potential. Against morts, if I pack 2 cleanses, they cant do anything to debuff me. I can camp the vp point, and if you bring santurias, if you kill one of my people, they all die. Against Jaina, my Prophet is getting a little damage from pets. Big whoop. With BoK, he has 4 armor next to Hoodon. There is a high chance for pets to do 1-2 damage, but thats it. Jaina, with her 4 die attack, is getting a couple points trough on Hoodon that will get healed off by either him or Savin. Kaustons or Rynos aren't going to punch any damage through with Savin protecting, and if the kaustrons crit, it only makes Savin more of a defensive beast.

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

2160844 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:21:41 GMT

1207521:

BlackBloc: I think you're a bit too pessimistic, there is other playable stuff in the meta that's less discovered, but it is very hard to beat both Jaina and HHT/Mort/Vashj.

Hey Ben, what are yoiu playing again? :P

The only reason I might skip Jaina is that I'm pretty sure you'll p0wn me in the mirror.

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

1207521 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:41:21 GMT

2465615:
Trip Dralors will own you all!! you know, unless they change how Hemmorhage works.

Did I miss something?

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

2465615 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:39:54 GMT

Trip Dralors will own you all!! you know, unless they change how Hemmorhage works.

Re: Souls Of Vengeance releasing in August or October?

1207521 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:02:11 GMT

If I was a semi-competent player playing Vashj and I lost to you, I would be very depressed. Vashj destroys Savin teams badly.

Mortimers you might? beat. Your team is 26 honor and you have no offense at all unless you attack with Savin. Savin attacking results in Hodoon dying as I use my pets to force you to tick up while I use my portal to burst Hodoon.Velen does 7 damage per 10 ticks unless you BoW, with BoW we'll say 10 per 10, so if we play a full 20 ticks you would kill MAYBE 2 Mortimers plus 12 VP, so 6 away? You think over 20 ticks 3 Mortimer's can't get 13 VPs? I'm pretty sure something will die.

TBQH, I'm pretty sure you lose to Jaina Zoo also. Played well, I'm pretty sure I would just polymorph Hodoon after setting up a spot where my pets could get to Velen. It's impossible for Savin to manage to keep him completely safe unless you refuse to tick up more than 1, as soon as you Flash, Attack, possibly even BoW, the Prophet will end up dead to Zoo-burst.

BlackBloc: I think you're a bit too pessimistic, there is other playable stuff in the meta that's less discovered, but it is very hard to beat both Jaina and HHT/Mort/Vashj.

-Ben