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Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

1916526 — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:24:42 GMT

There certainly are very rare cases where you want to do Falling to Corruption on your opponent's turn. Sadly, none of your examples are such cases.

Bah, you didn't let me finish editing I look like a jerk on that one =(
Do not drink and post!

I actually laid out the cards and did it, and I totally see where you're coming from. The reason you don't do it on the opponents turn is because you can complete it with the resource you drop that following turn, you'll always be up one resources when compared to doing it at the end of their turn. Unless you're digging for an answer that you -have- to play that turn.

Lesson learned, thanks for pointing it out guys. :D

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

1381330 — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:21:20 GMT

1916526:
You have 5 resources, your only quest is a falling to corruption. all exhausted from last turn, and a glous in play. You have 1 card in hand and it's an anguish.

You say go, ready your corruption, wait for them to finish their turn, using anguish if necessary and at the end of the turn you do corruption.

Not bad really

You have two no'jins and a glous in play, 4 used resources and 2 cards in hand, a shadowfiend and a broan. You have falling to corruption out, and you're on the play. You wait until they pass their turn and you do falling to corruption. The following turn you place a resource and come in for 17 and the win.

Seems pretty good to me.

lol I can't believe i missed Kysuke's epic thread about Falling. Not only amusing, but educational.
1st situation - might as well wait until your turn to do Falling. Doing it on their turn gives you 1 less resource to use on your turn, and you don't know what you're going to draw yet.
2nd situation - whether you do Falling on their turn or yours doesn't appear to make a difference whether you win or not.

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

1284658 — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:08:32 GMT

1916526:
Enlighten me then, I guess.

I'm picturing several situations where it'd be okay to do this.

You have 5 resources, your only quest is a falling to corruption. all exhausted from last turn, and a glous in play. You have 1 card in hand and it's an anguish.

You say go, ready your corruption, wait for them to finish their turn, using anguish if necessary and at the end of the turn you do corruption.

Not bad really

You have two no'jins and a glous in play, 4 used resources and 2 cards in hand, a shadowfiend and a broan. You have falling to corruption out, and you're on the play. You wait until they pass their turn and you do falling to corruption. The following turn you place a resource and come in for 17 and the win.

Seems pretty good to me.

And of course there are examples when you wouldn't want to do it either.

Destroying ready resources for falling just becaues it got inspired? No, that's stupid.
Doing it on turn 2 just because it got inspired on their turn? That's dumb too.
Doing it when you have a full grip of cards that you need the resources in order to play?

Are there occasions when it's bad to do it on their turn?
Sure
Are there occasions when it's great to do it on their turn?
Sure

The comment was in regards to having falling to corruption instead of maw of madness. Inspiring maw of madness doesn't make full use of glous - that was my point.

Don't tell me it's 100% wrong to do falling to corruption on their turn, or you end up looking foolish.

There certainly are very rare cases where you want to do Falling to Corruption on your opponent's turn. Sadly, none of your examples are such cases.

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

1916526 — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:02:29 GMT

Enlighten me then, I guess.

I'm picturing several situations where it'd be okay to do this.

You have 5 resources, your only quest is a falling to corruption. all exhausted from last turn, and a glous in play. You have 1 card in hand and it's an anguish.

You say go, ready your corruption, wait for them to finish their turn, using anguish if necessary and at the end of the turn you do corruption.

Not bad really

You have two no'jins and a glous in play, 4 used resources and 2 cards in hand, a shadowfiend and a broan. You have falling to corruption out, and you're on the play. You wait until they pass their turn and you do falling to corruption. The following turn you place a resource and come in for 17 and the win.

Seems pretty good to me.

And of course there are examples when you wouldn't want to do it either.

Destroying ready resources for falling just becaues it got inspired? No, that's stupid.
Doing it on turn 2 just because it got inspired on their turn? That's dumb too.
Doing it when you have a full grip of cards that you need the resources in order to play? - That's the one you guys seem to be stuck on.

Are there occasions when it's bad to do it on their turn?
Sure
Are there occasions when it's great to do it on their turn?
Sure

The comment was in regards to having falling to corruption instead of maw of madness. Inspiring maw of madness doesn't make full use of glous - that was my point.

Am I missing something? Let me know if I am!

And lol @ Kysuke. He's proud of his debate, which by the way had nothing to do with glous xD

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

1284658 — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:02:09 GMT

Ahh the debate that shouldn't be a debate continues...

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

1473012 — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:40:17 GMT

1916526:
o.O

I guess it would depend on the situation, but I wouldn't say 99% =P

It's probably closer to 100% actually... if you're doing this, odds are it's a desperate attempt to avoid losing the game.

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

1406143 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:36:40 GMT

1916526:
o.O

I guess it would depend on the situation, but I wouldn't say 99% =P

Unless you are digging for an instant that you need to play immediately or you're getting a really good trade for No'jin, it's terrible.

You want to have the resources ready up and spent again if at all possible.

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

1916526 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:21:38 GMT

o.O

I guess it would depend on the situation, but I wouldn't say 99% =P

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

1472832 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:26:34 GMT

Falling to Corruption on your opponents turn is an awful play 99% of the time.

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

1916526 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:05:15 GMT

I think inspiring falling to corruption and doing it for free with marksman is pretty decent too.

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

2014889 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:30:00 GMT

What I dont get is why into the maw of madness wasnt added to this deck.

Just destroy it even if its tapped....your resources are -1 which u need and u draw a card for free.

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

1472832 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:16:43 GMT

1st/2nd mind you but everything else is entirely accurate.

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

1207528 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:00:23 GMT

I was the other Seattle player playing this deck (took it to a 1st place finish at our most recent continental qualifier) but I made a few notable changes from the original list that I feel make the deck a tiny bit less fragile. I'll post the list in the short report I'll write up as soon as I have the rest of the top-8.

One thing to note: As Fleckenstein pointed out, this deck picks up its cards to Black Ice (and also to Aegis of the Vindicator in game 1).

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

1783490 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:10:04 GMT

I used pretty efficiently Nea Sunmark in this deck. OK, I didn't play 20 drop 1 allies, but at least I could survivre after a finishing shout, wastewalker combo or defiance. I didn't play sw:death and found this was the only way to win against pimprink (yeah, someone tryed it once just for fun and got everyone by surprise, all oggrimar deck were praying not to be pared with him). Like it is said in the article, it's power doesn't reside in it's versatility, but I tried to make it a bit more control without giving up the rush side. I play ring of blood + mindflip to give tokens or skumm baggot and get back a water elemental, weldon barov or doshura.

Re: The Gladiators - Hello GG

2258179 — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:35:01 GMT

i enjoyed playing this deck in my qualifer at seattle. its not only fast and furious, but its also fun to play. out of our 14 people it was myself and one other playing koo'zar. both decks were very identical with a few differences.

i made a few changes from the featured deck list that in my opinion made a larger difference of giving the deck more versatility and not upsetting the speed.

i replaced dispel magic and put in disperse magic simply because i liked the idea of letting it sit and intimidating my opponent. not only that but once its out i dont have to pay 1 to actually use it.

i also traded kagella shadowmark for bhenn checks-the-sky. i saw kagella as a win more card and decided to use bhenn to gain tempo on opposing aggro decks. this change did make a difference and worked well VS other aggro decks.

i also liked the use of Fade in the Side Deck. when running so many allies i figured i would try it out and see how it goes. sadly i was never able to draw it in the qualifer when i did side it in, but in testing i did like how it worked.