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Last post 07-18-2008, 12:34 PM by Willis81. 43 replies.
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  •  04-23-2008, 2:16 PM 1139766 in reply to 1139665

    Re: No more SotB?

    Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see UDE's motivation for being sold out of product. True it can create a certain amount of buzz and there's probably some sort of math logic to keeping cards at centrain rarity (total rarity, not a per-pack basis), but ultimately don't they make their money off selling the cards? Wouldn't they want to sell as many cards as possible? It's not like they get a dime from the secondary market...
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  •  04-23-2008, 2:39 PM 1139807 in reply to 1139766

    Re: No more SotB?

    Everything I've heard over the years is that many companies hate to sit on product because warehousing is pretty expensive. Product just sitting around loses them more money than it might make.
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  •  05-07-2008, 1:27 AM 1159694 in reply to 1139766

    Re: No more SotB?

    1760677:
    Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see UDE's motivation for being sold out of product. True it can create a certain amount of buzz and there's probably some sort of math logic to keeping cards at centrain rarity (total rarity, not a per-pack basis), but ultimately don't they make their money off selling the cards? Wouldn't they want to sell as many cards as possible? It's not like they get a dime from the secondary market...

    Colectables need to be rare.
    Warehousing costs money.
    Reprinting certen cards is an option in future sets, when type-2 sets in.

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  •  05-07-2008, 12:57 PM 1160271 in reply to 1159694

    Re: No more SotB?

    Warehousing does not actually cost money unless you are renting a space you intend to not rent once the product sells (not impossible but it would be a first for my ears if it was true)

    What happens is your money becomes frozen and you are unable to put the money back into other products that may make you profit, or incur losses. The point is your options are limited. Also the longer the product sits on the shelf the more likely the product will be sold at a loss. There is a chance the product will become high demand (like FoO) and product will actually increase in value the longer it sits there but anyone who has "stored" product (in a warehouse or on store shelves) will tell you for every product that goes up like this; dozens upon dozens fall in price.

    This is why multiple prints runs are done by the old school card game companies.
  •  05-07-2008, 5:53 PM 1160796 in reply to 1160271

    Re: No more SotB?

    Hey all,

    Just wanted to drop a line that GameStops have marked down most all of their CCG stock, WoW included some by more than half!.

    I've found FoO and SotB at my local stores in Cincinnati (and bought them out of FoO).

    I've also found Feasts for $9.99!

    -Eric the Dread0395 of Cincinnati, Oh

    -TTFN Folks!

    Eric the Dread0395 @ Gmail . com
  •  05-08-2008, 4:05 PM 1162361 in reply to 1160796

    Re: No more SotB?

    575193:
    Hey all,

    Just wanted to drop a line that GameStops have marked down most all of their CCG stock, WoW included some by more than half!.

    -Eric the Dread0395 of Cincinnati, Oh


    Sorry to quote the large text.....this matches our experience in Fort Wayne.  Feasts for 9.99....boosters at 1.99.  Only downside is no more CCG at gamestops.

    Nothing is foolproof
  •  05-11-2008, 4:58 PM 1168710 in reply to 1160271

    Re: No more SotB?

    “Warehousing does not actually cost money unless you are renting a space you intend to not rent once the product sells”

    Wrong.

    1.)the opportunity cost of warehousing something else

    2.)initial buy of necessary warehousing to meet capacities

    3.)  3 unmoving product reduces capacity for 1 and increases amount needed for 2


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  •  05-13-2008, 5:20 PM 1171808 in reply to 1168710

    Re: No more SotB?

    1624565:

    “Warehousing does not actually cost money unless you are renting a space you intend to not rent once the product sells”

    Wrong.

    1.)the opportunity cost of warehousing something else

    2.)initial buy of necessary warehousing to meet capacities

    3.)  3 unmoving product reduces capacity for 1 and increases amount needed for 2


    Those are not costs of warehousing.  #1 is simply the reduction in ability to make more money - which is not a cost (cost = $ lost).  #2 is something that you already paid in the past and is the same whether or not you have to warehouse the item - thus also not a cost of warehousing.  #3 is just mentioning the relationship between #1 and #2 - also not a cost.

    If you read the rest of Gamer's post, his mention of money being "frozen" was referring to what you are talking about with #1, #2, and #3.
  •  05-14-2008, 8:07 AM 1172506 in reply to 1171808

    Re: No more SotB?

    1346434:
    1624565:

    “Warehousing does not actually cost money unless you are renting a space you intend to not rent once the product sells”

    Wrong.

    1.)the opportunity cost of warehousing something else

    2.)initial buy of necessary warehousing to meet capacities

    3.)  3 unmoving product reduces capacity for 1 and increases amount needed for 2


    Those are not costs of warehousing.  #1 is simply the reduction in ability to make more money - which is not a cost (cost = $ lost).  #2 is something that you already paid in the past and is the same whether or not you have to warehouse the item - thus also not a cost of warehousing.  #3 is just mentioning the relationship between #1 and #2 - also not a cost.

    If you read the rest of Gamer's post, his mention of money being "frozen" was referring to what you are talking about with #1, #2, and #3.


    1.) A reduction in the ability to make more money is a loss of money. If you have less money than you would if you did something else, then it is a cost.

    If i have $5 and i can spend it on X which will give me $7 after a year or Y which will give me $10 in a year if i chose X i have lost $3. the cost of choosing X is $3.


    2.) The sunk cost of buying warehousing is not simply a sunk over-head cost if added warehousing is needed for future products.

    warehousing requires air-conditioning, security, people to make sure the roof doesn't cave in insurance, management of inventory and digging through the inventory... well you get the idea, the larger the building the more it costs.

    If i buy a box of corn-dogs and put it in my freezer not only do i have to pay for the cost of freezing it but i also can't fit as many steaks in there unless I buy another freezer.

     

    summation:

    it costs money to hold ever increasing amounts of product



    {With prayer, and dentures, Omedus overcame his difficulties with cannibalism.}
  •  05-14-2008, 10:21 AM 1172641 in reply to 1172506

    Re: No more SotB?

    Are you guys seriously arguing about the costs associated with inventory? Inventory cost is very real. It doesn't matter what industry you're in. Companies live and die by how they manage inventory. Take Corporate Finance 101.

    PS: Look at the current (lack of) supply of the iPhone as an example.
  •  05-14-2008, 11:41 AM 1172714 in reply to 1172641

    Re: No more SotB?

    Those are not costs of warehousing.  #1 is simply the reduction in ability to make more money - which is not a cost (cost = $ lost).  #2 is something that you already paid in the past and is the same whether or not you have to warehouse the item - thus also not a cost of warehousing.  #3 is just mentioning the relationship between #1 and #2 - also not a cost.

    I have a degree in finance with a minor in economics and feel compelled to weigh in here...

    1) Look up the term opportunity cost.  Any time you take an action, you are giving up the ability to take a different action.  Money you don't make because you didn't take this action is considered an opportunity cost.  If you make $10 by doing X but you could have made $20 by doing Y, the cost of doing X is $10 regardless of whether or not you make or lose money doing it.

    2) Something you already paid in the past is called a sunk cost - it has no bearing in your decision to continue operating but it is a cost nonetheless, theoretically offset by the value of the asset gained in exchange and possibly amortized into your actual profit/loss.

    3) Profit sitting around is an opportunity cost represented by loss of liquidity.  You can do a lot more with $100 cash than you can with $100 in unopened SotB booster boxes.  I think this is what was meant by money being 'frozen.'

    The iPhone's supply problems are actually the result of inventory liquidation in advance of the next gen iPhone, which will likely hit stores sometime between June and July...

  •  05-15-2008, 10:20 AM 1173970 in reply to 1172714

    Re: No more SotB?

    1473012:

    Those are not costs of warehousing.  #1 is simply the reduction in ability to make more money - which is not a cost (cost = $ lost).  #2 is something that you already paid in the past and is the same whether or not you have to warehouse the item - thus also not a cost of warehousing.  #3 is just mentioning the relationship between #1 and #2 - also not a cost.

    I have a degree in finance with a minor in economics and feel compelled to weigh in here...

    1) Look up the term opportunity cost.  Any time you take an action, you are giving up the ability to take a different action.  Money you don't make because you didn't take this action is considered an opportunity cost.  If you make $10 by doing X but you could have made $20 by doing Y, the cost of doing X is $10 regardless of whether or not you make or lose money doing it.

    2) Something you already paid in the past is called a sunk cost - it has no bearing in your decision to continue operating but it is a cost nonetheless, theoretically offset by the value of the asset gained in exchange and possibly amortized into your actual profit/loss.

    3) Profit sitting around is an opportunity cost represented by loss of liquidity.  You can do a lot more with $100 cash than you can with $100 in unopened SotB booster boxes.  I think this is what was meant by money being 'frozen.'

    The iPhone's supply problems are actually the result of inventory liquidation in advance of the next gen iPhone, which will likely hit stores sometime between June and July...


    I've got two degrees in business and am working on a PhD. and i agree with you.

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  •  05-19-2008, 10:34 AM 1179420 in reply to 1173970

    Re: No more SotB?

    now now we are all forgetting something very important that is going to happen if theres no more sotb..people that stockpiled the bisuit loots are going to be very happy when they shoot up as everyone uses theres.
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  •  07-18-2008, 12:34 PM 1307740 in reply to 1179420

    Re: No more SotB?

    I know this post is over a month old - but if anyone is still looking for SOTB booster boxes I have them in stock @ SRP while supplies last.  (Shipping would most likely be about $8.00-10.00 in the US)... we can do phone orders (Upper Deck Retail) - Just make sure to ask for me - William

    Upper Deck Corporate is sold out and has been - but some distributors today still have some as well as hobby stores if they ordered, that’s where i had to order mine to restock (Dist). 

    Best of luck with finding the product -


    William Estela
    Upper Deck Retail
    Retail Store Manager

    Bella Terra Center
    7777 Edinger Ave
    Suite D-150
    Huntington Beach, Ca 92647
    Work: 714.898.8000

    www.UDRetail.com

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