1370438:

I don't think 3 Kialas is as good as this map as it is on Winterspring or Tanaris. They have to come to you, then cover both their own VP from capture and the opponent's VP. Kialas are better at covering a single spot on an open map, not 2 points on a map with piles of LOS blocking.

Ah. Clearly, you got the joke.

Poor Kialas. They'll have a tough time locking players away from both locations.  But, honestly, if they can get a kill or two up on their opponents and then begin the camping, they could take an early lead that opponents can't recover from if they can't get close.

Ah well. The map doesn't solve the problem of the meta turning into a crapshoot. At least games will be dynamic.

Cheers!

-teh Sig

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I've been had! Can't say I will miss that super fun team

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Season 3 Durotar People's Champion
Season 4 Feralas Actual Champion

I'm assuming pets don't count as characters for the sake of taking the objectives?

All I could find on it in the CR was the bit about non-Pet characters scoring VPs for proximity to a VP space, but nothing on claiming these spaces.

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1913468:

I'm assuming pets don't count as characters for the sake of taking the objectives?

All I could find on it in the CR was the bit about non-Pet characters scoring VPs for proximity to a VP space, but nothing on claiming these spaces.

Pets are allies or enemies, but only figures are 'characters', you need to be a character to capture the space, so pets can't capture.

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Season 3 Durotar People's Champion
Season 4 Feralas Actual Champion

Each pet is a character and follows all character rules except for the following: No VP's for killing a pet, pets don't respawn, pets don't block line of sight.

Three characters with three pet characters is the first obvious choice for Charlotte. We'll see if anyone can metagame it further...

1370438:

1913468:

I'm assuming pets don't count as characters for the sake of taking the objectives?

All I could find on it in the CR was the bit about non-Pet characters scoring VPs for proximity to a VP space, but nothing on claiming these spaces.

Pets are allies or enemies, but only figures are 'characters', you need to be a character to capture the space, so pets can't capture.

Pets are characters, just not sure if they can capture.

as it stands they can capture.

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With this scenario, do you gain VPs from your character being adjacent to your location on eot5/10?

Or are the three points for having an activated VP location the only ones you receive?

Being able to gain 6 vps in one scoring turn would turn some 12 points into beastly armies.

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You don't score VP for your characters location. You spend 2T to gain control of the VP that matches your starting color and, as long as you maintain control of it, you will gain 3 VP at eot5/10.

1485842:

You don't score VP for your characters location. You spend 2T to gain control of the VP that matches your starting color and, as long as you maintain control of it, you will gain 3 VP at eot5/10.

Teams that didn't care about location VPs (*cough*DMF San Fran Winning Hunters team*cough*) won't care about the change, except in so far as they can spend the random 2 ticks to deny 3 VPs. Everyone else is now faced with location VPs being an all-or-nothing thing. Used to be you could score anywhere from 0 to 3 VPs (4 on Tanaris) per 5 ticks period. Now it's 0 or 3. No partial. Pro: You don't need to be next to the VP area anymore. Con: You need to spend 2 ticks to take it over and your opponent can spend 2 to take it away.

This makes a couple teams unviable. Unfortunatly, amongst them is my ogres team, which ideally played on Tanaris to score 3 kills and 7 location VPs. As soon as you needed to do 4 kills (Winterspring) the matchups that were cakewalks tended to be a lot closer... But 7 location VPs is extremely awkward on this map. You either do 4 kills and one activation of the VP area, or 3 kills and *3* activations of the VP area. With ogres acting about every 4 ticks, that's mighty unprobable. It's likely your opponent will grief you out of VPs by just taking 2 ticks to turn off your VP area, and *still* get to attack before you end your cooldown period.

Switching to double Crushridge does not help the points total either... Frostsaber Prowler doesn't help, Bleakheart doesn't help much either. I recommend not playing them at all (which means Santoria will rule the skies...).

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My first reaction - and I might feel differently after I think on it more and do testing - is that this map makes "camping the VP squares" much more difficult, thereby reducing the effectiveness of bands that like to do that, be they Kialas, Ogres, or what not. AMA on the other hand, appears like it could be dominant.

Depends. You can spend 2 ticks and then unless AMA takes time off kiting to go reclaim the VP spot, it's like you have your 3 guys next to the VP spots but you can have them run after the kiters while still scoring VPs. But yeah, in general I think AMA is favored here.

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2144941:

2 reasons, because we are nagging more than people are for Koln and because the US UDE seems to provide better support than the EU UDE.

 

LOL

 

I'm guessing you don't mean prize support here as US events seem to get prizes months late half the time.

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Has made top8 of some events

If pets can capture hunters will be really good. You can shoot almost anywhere on the map (besides dead center) with a hunter coming off the spawn point.

I really don't like the scenario format though, I think it would be a lot better if we actually got to develop the metagame...  then again it'll be out the window when spoils comes in and/or the continue to do scenarios.

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3rd/4th Tanaris Realms Season 3

I think we really need a clarification about pets. I strongly hope that pets can't control the vp squares, as it would probably make pet bands the only thing worth playing.

2599652:

If pets can capture hunters will be really good. You can shoot almost anywhere on the map (besides dead center) with a hunter coming off the spawn point.

I'm almost 100% sure pets can't capture. They can't score VPs in other scenarios... it wouldn't make sense for them to start now.

2599652:

I really don't like the scenario format though, I think it would be a lot better if we actually got to develop the metagame...

What is there to develop? The meta (from an abstract, 'don't care about the map, only minis and ABCs' standpoint) has been stale for months. The only 'new' thing was Corle's team, and I would say its rise was highly dependant on the map that was in use. I think the map choice is as much part of the meta as minis and cards. In fact, I think the tourney would be pretty dull if they hadn't thrown us this scenario curveball...

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