Yes, the rule about putting damage on was added soemtime in the last year.

To be clear, since it hasn't been directly stated, you CAN use Acolyte Kemistra's ability while she's invincible, but only if it won't put more than fatal damage on her. (and to preempt a potential follow-up question, fatal damage is always "damage equal to or greater than the ally's health", even if that damage won't actually destroy the ally because it's invincible.)

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Dethvir's Power is considered a replacement modifier.  Replacement modifiers have the following rules stipulation:

716.1d     A replacement modifier replaces the specified event even if one or more of the modified events can’t be done.

Therefore, you could use Dethvir's power even though he cannot be dealt damage.

The rules seem to be contradicting itself here. More insight about the following quote please.

103.2 If a modifier says that [something] can’t happen, and another modifier or rule tries to make
[something] happen, that “can’t” modifier takes precedence (but see 103.3). If an action can’t be
performed, any cost involving that action can’t be paid. “Can’t” modifiers are not replacement
modifiers (716). Events that “can’t” happen can’t be replaced.

A modifier says Dethvir can't be dealt damage, and another modifier (replacement, to be exact) tries to make Dethvir be dealt damage, the ring takes precedence. (103.3 is only refering to things done by the game).

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So, 103.2 is saying that if the original event can't happen, that the event cannot be replace with an alternate event. That means that if an invincible ally was attempted to be dealt damage, you could not redirect it to somewhere else.

But, 716.1d is saying that even if the modified event can't be done, you can still replace the original event with the modified event.

Basically, let's say you're trying to replace original event A with modified event B. If A can't happen then you cannot replace it with B. But, if B can't happen, you can still replace A with B.

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The hands of a healer

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So, 103.2 is saying that if the original event can't happen, that the event cannot be replace with an alternate event. That means that if an invincible ally was attempted to be dealt damage, you could not redirect it to somewhere else.

But, 716.1d is saying that even if the modified event can't be done, you can still replace the original event with the modified event.

Basically, let's say you're trying to replace original event A with modified event B. If A can't happen then you cannot replace it with B. But, if B can't happen, you can still replace A with B.

Ok.. but Who is on first.

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Chris "Jedion" Reilkoff

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Ok.. but Who is on first.

Well then who's on first?

Yes.

It would be cool to have an official statement on this point because it's gonna rise a lot of questions during the next RealmChamp !

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Borow,
Administrator of www.wowccg.fr
Levels: RK2/PM2
Judge at "French Nats 2007","French Nats 2008","Lilles DMF 2007","Stuttgart DMF 2008", "Lyon DMF 2008", "Worlds Paris 2008"

1292276:

So, 103.2 is saying that if the original event can't happen, that the event cannot be replace with an alternate event. That means that if an invincible ally was attempted to be dealt damage, you could not redirect it to somewhere else.

But, 716.1d is saying that even if the modified event can't be done, you can still replace the original event with the modified event.

Basically, let's say you're trying to replace original event A with modified event B. If A can't happen then you cannot replace it with B. But, if B can't happen, you can still replace A with B.

So does that mean the Dethvir/Ring of Invicibility combo works or not?

Works. He is saying that Dethvir can "transfer" the damage to himself, but then can't "receive" the damage when he "absorbs" it.

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It would be cool to have an official statement on this point because it's gonna rise a lot of questions during the next RealmChamp !

Not sure you can get more official than a CR reference;) I think the one you need, about how events can be replaced even if the modified event (i.e. Dethvir being dealt damage) can't happen, has already been quoted in this thread.

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They gave me some judge levels or something, too...

Question is will this be the new " Got to Have" ring?  hmn...?

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My epic trade list

Kemistra's power would work because you are not 'dealing' damage, you are placing it.

You may want to choose a color other than black to highlight against a black background...

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I wanted to give everyone a list of all the trustworthy people who traded with me on this site, but it exceeds maximum character length. To me, that's a hopeful sign.

What I would like is a "cleaned" explanation so i could print and use it later in to explain simply the point.

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Borow,
Administrator of www.wowccg.fr
Levels: RK2/PM2
Judge at "French Nats 2007","French Nats 2008","Lilles DMF 2007","Stuttgart DMF 2008", "Lyon DMF 2008", "Worlds Paris 2008"

There you go.

WoW TCG Comprehensive Rules v3.21:

716.1d A replacement modifier replaces the specified event even if one or more of the modified events can’t be done.

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