According to the Official Tournament Policy we always had the wrong number of swiss rounds in minis tournaments... even at DMFs!!! :-O

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/COMMUNITY/files/28/english/entry1560471.aspx

in both Koln and Turin we played 5 rounds instead of SEVEN :-O


what about other DMFs? How is this possible? :-O

One game match rounds and cut
4-8          –     4 rounds    (Top 2)
9-16          –    5 rounds    (Top 4)
17-22          –     6 rounds    (Top 8)
23-36          –     7 rounds    (Top 8)
37-52          –     8 rounds    (Top 8)
53-94          –    9 rounds    (Top 8)
95-152       –     10 rounds    (Top 8)
153-256     –     11 rounds    (Top 8)
257-440     –     12 rounds    (Top 8)
441+     –   13 rounds    (Top 8)

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so... any word from UDE about this?

Everybody feeling ok about playing tournament, DMFs as well, with 5 round of swiss when 7 is the standard according to UDE rules? :-O

I think the format was intended, as a single match game, to let everyone with two game loss making top8...

Hope they will change at least the rules, if they pretend TO and players to follow them...

If TIME is the problem I suggest 2 qualifiers only, BOTH CONSTRUCTED OF COURSE, for 2days DMF... and finals swiss rounds starting from sunday MORNING.

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TOP8: DMF Koln, Realm Champ, Italian Champ, DMF Amsterdam
TOP4: DMF Turin, World Champ

I don't think they've run the same format twice in a Minis DMF (or at least that has been the case in San Fran and Charlotte).

One would think someone in their job for several years would no how to run a Swiss event - but Ian continually proves otherwise.

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I don't think they've run the same format twice in a Minis DMF (or at least that has been the case in San Fran and Charlotte).

One would think someone in their job for several years would no how to run a Swiss event - but Ian continually proves otherwise.

both at DMF Koln and Turin the finals were showing a number of players between 23 and 36

"23-36          –     7 rounds    (Top 8)"

instead of 7 rounds we had 5......!

In Sidney there were 8 players in the final... and the format should have been 4 rounds top2.... they made 4 rounds top4... it just sounds like they are organizing tournament without knowing their own rules... nobody cares??? Really??? UDE? Any hint?

p.s.: change the rules than....

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I personally think the better question is why does UDE policy involve Swiss+1 for all the Minis games?

As for what happened, I assume the tournament was input as just Swiss (a way better//time-consuming method), and then enough players dropped to lower the round count by one...ergo you would have had six if everyone played the whole thing, but too many dropped, so one was cut. This is a total guess, though.

And I'd heard the Sydney DMF had 9 players, but I don't actually know.

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isnt the normal case that everybody with X-1 should make Top8?
This was the case at Köln and Turin, so i think the number of rounds were ok from my point of view.

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The idea with the TCG is that if you run best of one then it takes less time so you can run more rounds. This doesn't really apply to minis anyway. And yes x-1 will make top8 using the swiss system unless oyu have a large number of players on the edge of an extra round being added.

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Has made top8 of some events

DMF Qualifiers / Finals are a Set number of rounds intentionally. You are looking at a two part process as individual tournaments, and this isn't the case. The "rules" do not apply because it is a special set of circumstances, and I don't feel like typing it all out. There are pages and pages of discussion on this from way back in the day when they started doing these, I'd advise doing some digging if you're really that curious on it.

In the end, they aren't "unaware of their own policy." They are running special tournaments with certain rounds for a reason.

You're also forgetting the #1 Rule in most situations: Judges and people in charge can change anything they want about a tournament, for any reason, any time they feel like it. If they don't want to have a certain number of rounds, nothing ever forces them into doing it. This is just another example of that. So what.

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I think the issue here is in the single game vs. 2 of 3 numbers.  The single game match numbers are most likely just used for (now dead) VS System because they played 30 minute rounds.  Since the minis rounds are longer than that, they are probably using the 2 of 3 numbers instead.  That means any number up to 32 would only be 5 rounds.

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I think the issue here is in the single game vs. 2 of 3 numbers.  The single game match numbers are most likely just used for (now dead) VS System because they played 30 minute rounds.  Since the minis rounds are longer than that, they are probably using the 2 of 3 numbers instead.  That means any number up to 32 would only be 5 rounds.

absolutly not... this is what their own rules say:

One game match rounds and cut
4-8          –     4 rounds    (Top 2)
9-16          –    5 rounds    (Top 4)
17-22          –     6 rounds    (Top 8)
23-36          –     7 rounds    (Top 8)
37-52          –     8 rounds    (Top 8)
53-94          –    9 rounds    (Top 8)
95-152       –     10 rounds    (Top 8)
153-256     –     11 rounds    (Top 8)
257-440     –     12 rounds    (Top 8)
441+     –   13 rounds    (Top 8)

plus... how can we consider qualifiers as part of the same tournament since even the band-list may be changed?

I think that single match games have more turn to let everybody with TWO game lost let in top8... wich is fair, compensating the luck/unluck of the single match... it was always intended that way as far as I know, also in other games... it's a nice format... they are just ignoring it in DMF... I believe 'cause of time ;-)

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TOP8: DMF Koln, Realm Champ, Italian Champ, DMF Amsterdam
TOP4: DMF Turin, World Champ

I've never been to a DMF, so I could be wrong on this, but don't the minis finals usually start later than the TCG finals due to there being a last chance qualifier ran Sunday morning.  I don't think I've seen it done at all of them, but I think they did it at Sydney.  Time would definately be a factor if that were the case.  Starting a 7 or 8 round tournament with a Top 8 at 1 or 2 pm is going to make for a long long long day for everybody involved. 

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I've never been to a DMF, so I could be wrong on this, but don't the minis finals usually start later than the TCG finals due to there being a last chance qualifier ran Sunday morning.  I don't think I've seen it done at all of them, but I think they did it at Sydney.  Time would definately be a factor if that were the case.  Starting a 7 or 8 round tournament with a Top 8 at 1 or 2 pm is going to make for a long long long day for everybody involved. 

sure... infact I suppose they are changing their own rules for that reason... but probably since rules ask for those rounds a different format would be better in the future... OR at least they have to change the rule I believe ;-)

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TOP8: DMF Koln, Realm Champ, Italian Champ, DMF Amsterdam
TOP4: DMF Turin, World Champ