Avenging Wrath

Ability

Neutral

Paladin

4

Double your hero's ATK this turn.

Am I allowed to use this after an atk bonus is added to my hero from a weapon?

For example, I attack with hungering bone cudgel, then play avenging wrath after exhausting the weapon to strike for 10?

Thanks.

-Nyl

Yes that is allowed. Anyway it doesn't matter if you played it prior to striking with a weapon or after. What it does is create a continuous modifier that lasts until the current wrap-up step. This modifier however checks against the current game state and as such, any changes to the ATK value on your hero after the resolution of Avenging Wrath's link also gets modified.

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Ah, I see, because the card says "this turn" so I could technically play it before I draw, and strike multiple times for double with seal of crusader later on or something crazy like that.


Thanks.

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1464297:

Yes that is allowed. Anyway it doesn't matter if you played it prior to striking with a weapon or after. What it does is create a continuous modifier that lasts until the current wrap-up step. This modifier however checks against the current game state and as such, any changes to the ATK value on your hero after the resolution of Avenging Wrath's link also gets modified.

Not quite. Multiple modifiers are applied in time stamp order, so only +ATK modifers in existence prior to Avenging Wrath resolving will count toward the doubling.

 104.3       Some continuous modifiers say to “double” a numerical value. Such a modifier continuously doubles that value, incorporating any other modifiers to that value with earlier timestamps.

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Is that new?  I always thought you could choose whether to add then double or double then add.

1473012:

Is that new?  I always thought you could choose whether to add then double or double then add.

If a replacement modifier is modifying a packet of damage then you can choose the order to apply those modifiers. But, for anything other than a packet of damage (an ATK value for example) you apply the modifiers in timestamp order.

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Does the double attack modifier stay with your hero for the entire turn then? For example, if I swing with the OED, Avenging Wrath and then play Rak and swing again, do I double my attack value the second time around?

It doesn't seem to me that it would, but if continuous modifiers stick around until the wrap-up step of every turn, then I'm not quite sure.

Avenging Wrath says 'this turn', so its modifier will last for the entire turn and will end during the wrap up step.

The modifier from Avenging Wrath will stick around, but unless you had some modifier that was constantly giving your hero an ATK bonus before Avenging Wrath had resolved then it won't actually do anything.

104.3       Some continuous modifiers say to “double” a numerical value. Such a modifier continuously doubles that value, incorporating any other modifiers to that value with earlier timestamps.

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So if I played avenging wrath at the beginning of my turn, and then later on during combat, struck with a weapon, the +attack I receive from swinging the weapon would not be doubled?

1123981:

The modifier from Avenging Wrath will stick around, but unless you had some modifier that was constantly giving your hero an ATK bonus before Avenging Wrath had resolved then it won't actually do anything.

104.3       Some continuous modifiers say to “double” a numerical value. Such a modifier continuously doubles that value, incorporating any other modifiers to that value with earlier timestamps.

Hmm, I'm not sure I follow. Let me put it out in a scenario. Say I'm attacking with the Obsidian Edged Blade, swing with it and play Avenging Wrath to deal eight combat damage. After that combat wraps up, I play Rak Skyfury, readying both my hero and the OEB, then swing in again. For the second combat, would my attack value be the regular 4 or the doubled 8?

That's correct.  This was explained a few posts up in this very thread.

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Sweet Zombie Uther!
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So, regarding the original question, yes, you can play it after striking with a weapon, but if you were to swing a weapon after Avenging Wrath was played (or if you were to increase your heroes attack by any other method) Avenging Wrath would not double those particular values.

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1123981:

The modifier from Avenging Wrath will stick around, but unless you had some modifier that was constantly giving your hero an ATK bonus before Avenging Wrath had resolved then it won't actually do anything.

104.3       Some continuous modifiers say to “double” a numerical value. Such a modifier continuously doubles that value, incorporating any other modifiers to that value with earlier timestamps.

Hmm, I'm not sure I follow. Let me put it out in a scenario. Say I'm attacking with the Obsidian Edged Blade, swing with it and play Avenging Wrath to deal eight combat damage. After that combat wraps up, I play Rak Skyfury, readying both my hero and the OEB, then swing in again. For the second combat, would my attack value be the regular 4 or the doubled 8?

 

The regular 4.

1123981:

That's correct.  This was explained a few posts up in this very thread.

The wording on that reply tripped me up. But thanks for the clarification.