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I know that notes are public information, therefore I cannot write in a language my opponent would not be able to read or in some code only I can understand.  But do I have to tell my opponent WHY I am taking those particular notes?

Let's take the card Enlightenment, for example.  It costs 25 resources to play, but I pay 1 less for each ability card in my graveyard.  Enlightenment says that I win the game at the start of my next turn.  This is my deck's win condition, so I am keeping track of the number of ability cards in my graveyard.  Now I must tell my opponent that is what my notes are keeping track of, but do I have to tell my opponent my purpose for keeping track of that number?

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I know that notes are public information, therefore I cannot write in a language my opponent would not be able to read or in some code only I can understand.  But do I have to tell my opponent WHY I am taking those particular notes?

Let's take the card Enlightenment, for example.  It costs 25 resources to play, but I pay 1 less for each ability card in my graveyard.  Enlightenment says that I win the game at the start of my next turn.  This is my deck's win condition, so I am keeping track of the number of ability cards in my graveyard.  Now I must tell my opponent that is what my notes are keeping track of, but do I have to tell my opponent my purpose for keeping track of that number?

You would not need to tell your opponent why you are keeping track of the total number of abilities in your Graveyard.

One of the purposes of being allowed to take notes is that Trading Card Games are not games of memory.  It should not count against you simply because you constantly forget effects, game conditions, or numerical public information.

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actually, i do remember graveyard is a public zone that you can check it at any time. (to count your abilities, of coz you can look your graveyard without telling your purpose)

 

btw, i have a question about the "public information". i totally agree with this RULE. however, sometimes it's really hard to do so, especially when you are playing against someone from other country.

Well, since you posted here, I'm assuming you speak and write English. What I'm assuming you're getting at is say, maybe my opponent speaks English, but only reads, say Korean. I don't think that would change anything policy wise, and most judges that I've met can read English, at least, I'd hope they can given that cards are printed in English. So, if the player wasn't willing to take your word on what you say you're writing down, you could always ask a judge to confirm it.

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Well, since you posted here, I'm assuming you speak and write English. What I'm assuming you're getting at is say, maybe my opponent speaks English, but only reads, say Korean. I don't think that would change anything policy wise, and most judges that I've met can read English, at least, I'd hope they can given that cards are printed in English. So, if the player wasn't willing to take your word on what you say you're writing down, you could always ask a judge to confirm it.

of coz, i have no problem with English. I am talking the players. Most of the players recongise cards by the drawing on it. Not the name (your opponents' cards are in reverse position). Cards with different language are all allowed to use in the tournment, if the card is legal in one language.

I've got some experiences that judging in China. Some of the Chinese players dun know english very well (or they dun know english). all/ most of their cards are Chinese.

My question is, of coz they can take notes in their own language when they against each others. but what can they do if they against those from overseas?  Should we prohibit them from taking notes in their own language? Note taking can take any information, not only the card name.

I know may be this is some rare case. But i just wana try to find out a solution. Since i'm in HONGKONG. and i DO have lots of chance to have players from both sides (as i mentioned before)

Then a judge should be called in order to translate the notes being taken, if possible. If nobody is able to translate from a language player A understands to a language player B understands, then it's going to be troublesome, because it means nobody is able to understand one or both of the players, and that might cause problems for the organisation.

You should always try to accommodate the players as much as possible. If you can't read Chinese, you should try to have a judge or TO available that can. That way you will be able to let the players take notes as they normally would. As Frank said, it should not be a memory game.

It should still be easy to identify if they are using outside notes, it would be obvious to the opponents because they would be pulling out papers with notes already written on them. Any notes that are written down during the match are fine to use.

If an opponent suspects someone is trying to cheat via notes, they can call a judge to read, but since any notes that would be used would be ones written during that match, I doubt there would be much risk of cheating.

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