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This specific rule tells:
A Boss player has a separate graveyard for each deck. Opposing modifiers can’t remove cards from any of these decks or graveyards. A Boss player doesn’t lose the game if any of these decks runs out of cards. If that happens, that deck’s graveyard is shuffled into that deck by the game (even if cards can’t leave that graveyard) and the Boss player continues drawing from it. This doesn’t use the chain.

The specific part that interests me is:
"Opposing modifiers can’t remove cards from any of these decks or graveyards."
Shouldn't that specific rule forbid the raid player to draw from cards or effects controlled by other players, such as Morik's triggered power (When Morik attacks, each player draws a card.)? What about Arcanist Thelis' power (When Thelis sabotages a deck, switch that deck with yours.), would you simply add your deck to one of the raid's, or would it simply fizzle? My guess would be the second, since the action cannot be completed.

Maybe this part should be made clear when the rules for Naxxramas get added.

That rule only applies to the graveyard and separate decks of the Boss player not the raid players.

So Morik's affect would not be affected (drawing a card is different than removing it).

Thelis' power would try to do as much as it can, but since it can not switch decks it will resolve and do nothing.

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Then what is removing?
Rule 415.10e states:
"To draw a card is to put it from the top of a player’s deck into his hand, unless otherwise specified. Only cards in decks can be drawn. An event that puts a card into a hand from a deck is a draw event only if it specifies that that card is drawn."

How is this any different from moving a card from the deck zone to the graveyard zone or whatever other zone?

I guess my question might have been unclear: I meant the Boss player, not the raiding party. Shouldn't he not draw from the effect of Morrik?

"Removing" in this case is what happens with Sayge's triggered power, for example.  Drawing a card from a deck and removing a card from a deck are two different things, even though in terms of the English language definition of "removing" they are functionally similar.  The raid player will draw from Morik.

Also forbidden by this rule would be playing Owned! on an ally in the raid player's party and then removing all copies of the ally from the raid's deck.  You'd still get the one in play (and perhaps the ones from the hand; I forget if that kind of removal is allowed), but you wouldn't get to remove any from the raid's deck.

Then removing would only be removing from the game? Shouldn't it be clarified for future versions?
I think rule R101.3a (Bosses can be destroyed only by fatal damage. Opposing modifiers can’t turn a Boss over or remove its powers (unless that Boss is the source of the modifier that does so).) should be clarified too. As written, Baron Geddon wouldn't be able to destroy itself for it's power.
I'd add to ask another question, since we're at it. Does a character with no damage but 0 health have lethal damage on him? In short, does rule 405.2 (Positive damage greater than or equal to a character’s health is called fatal damage.) only take into account strictly positive damage?