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This is more of a curiosity and a double check then something that actually happened. Lets say round one, player 1 beats player 2. Now, lets say round 3 pairings go up, player 1 feels like he's currently lower in the standings then he should be. Checks his results and notices that was marked as a loss for round 1. So, we'd assume this occurred by accident, say, the judge mis-clicked the results for his game. Because round 2 is already over, is it possible to go back, fix round 1, and re-pair, or because it's that late, is it too late to do anything?

Let's assume two other scenerios. The first is that the error isn't noticed until after the event, but before prizes are awarded. The second is that the error isn't noticed until after the event, after prizes are award and say, 2 days later.

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Go Player ~ 22 Kyu

The way it's been done at events I've judged at and/or event managed is thus:

When an entry error is noticed, it is corrected and the tournament proceeds from that point on.  We do not replay earlier rounds.  This does have an effect on the affected player's tie breakers (because, presumably, they're playing easier opponents and their strength of schedule is lower).  However, to replay earlier rounds would more significantly disrupt the integrity of the tournament and the time necessary to replay those rounds would be a huge burden.

The corrective action would be the same if it were discovered during the tournament, or if it were discovered when preliminary standings were posted.  All tournaments I've participated in (either as judge, TO or player) that have had prizes have posted preliminary standings to help catch just this sort of entry error.  My typical procedure is post preliminary standings, have players look at them to verify the standings match the number of wins they should have based on match results and report any errors that may have been found so they can be investigated (find the match result slip and verify that was was reported on the slip is what was entered into MANTIS).  Players have five minutes to report any discrepancies.  After five minutes, if no player reports an error, the tournament standings are final and prizes can be distributed.

I would be interested to know if there are other procedures being used for resolving this sort of data entry error in tournaments.

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Dylan Northrup (aka Doc X)
Level 2 Vs Rules Knowledge, Player Management
Level 1 WoW Rules Knowledge, Tournament Organizer
Level 0 Time Management

Just a minor clarification. If the result slip shows Player 1 as the winner, but the score keeper accidentally marked it wrong, then it will be corrected as described by DocX. If the slip was filled out wrong and showed player 1 as having lost, the standings will usually remain.

Also in the scenario that it is discovered after the event is over, it is too late the change the results. That is the reason that we post preliminary standings before making them final. Once we announce they are the final standings and start giving out the prizes, there should not be any further changes.

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WoW RK2
VS RK2
PM LV2
Specialist LV2 (formerly demo team)
TO LV1

All situation would be assuming that the slip was marked correctly and that the error was on the scorekeeper.

I guess what my main question is. Say round 1, the wrong result is entered. Round 2 is completed, pairings for round 3 are posted. The mistake is noticed and we fix the results and re-pair. How drastic of a change would fixing the error make on the actual standings? Additionally, how would we make someone who lost round 2, because they were playing the wrong, and presumably stronger opponent then they should have, feel like they haven't been completely screwed over by a mistake on our part?

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Go Player ~ 22 Kyu

One Round is typically not going to make that big of a change in the standings/tie breakers because it is always possible to be paired up or down if there are an odd number of players at that win record.

As for repairing the round, if the players have not all sat down, then it is easy to repair and fix. if the pairings have been up for awhile, you can just manually repair to the 2 people that were affected and it will have much less impact on the results.

Regardless all you can do is acknowledge the mistake and apologize for it. In my experience, there have not been many players too upset because they accidentally got paired up (even if they lost) because that gives them better tie breakers.

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WoW RK2
VS RK2
PM LV2
Specialist LV2 (formerly demo team)
TO LV1

Usually, the number of wins is recorded on the pairings lists, so the player should in most cases notice the error as soon as the following round, making it easy to repair/re-pair without any effect on the opponents. If they notice it too late, then it's not only the scorekeeper's fault...