Upper Deck Entertainment Forums

I want to make a deck to either completley, or partialy shutdown my opponents deck. I have never built this kind of deck before and need some help doing it.

I think that these cards will be needed:

?x Jinzo (shutdown opponents traps)(how many can I run?)

3x Jinzo Returner (help make sure I get jinzo out)

1x Amplifier (keep jinzo from stopping my traps)(do I need this card)

?x Spell Canceller (shutdown opponents magic cards)(how many can I run?)

Thats all I know of that I will need. So what other cards are needed for this type of deck? I can effectivley stop magic and trap cards with the above cards, but are there other cards I can use to stop their use of magic and traps? What do I need to have to controll their summoning of monsters? If this is possible. Also would it be good to control my opponents hand in this kind of deck?

Sorry thats kind of alot of questions lol.

 

 

Ehhhh..ummmm U can play 3 junzo but i would suggest u do.....Jinzo can be killed to easily.......from Caius witch is being played by almost everyone, Celestia, Gyzarus and many other cards also a Jinzo returner decks isint a bad idea but if u want to shut down there traps easier i would suggest u play royal decree....

---

i GOOGLE myself regularly

The thing is I like jinzo and want to run him in my deck. Do you think I can run royal decree as a back-up to jinzo or jinzo as a back-up to royal decree?

Sadly, this won't work. You're running the complete opposite of what you WANT to run.


x3 Solemn Judgement
x3 PWWB/Bottomless
x1 Torrential
x1 Mirror Force
x2/3 Dark Bribe

The Majority of a current meta lockdown is mostly traps. Namely you'll want to run anything that can negate the Special summon of Dark Armed Dragon, Synchros, Judgement Dragoon, and Gyzarus.

---

Level 1 YGO Rules Knowledge Judge
Come join Northern Duel Academy (View profile for Link)

1885367:

Sadly, this won't work. You're running the complete opposite of what you WANT to run.


x3 Solemn Judgement
x3 PWWB/Bottomless
x1 Torrential
x1 Mirror Force
x2/3 Dark Bribe

The Majority of a current meta lockdown is mostly traps. Namely you'll want to run anything that can negate the Special summon of Dark Armed Dragon, Synchros, Judgement Dragoon, and Gyzarus.

I actually am running what I WANT. I WANT my deck to be able to shutdown the ability for my opponent to us: traps (jinzo/royal decree), magic (only spell canceller right now), and monsters in anyway (most likely special summons). If you read my original post you would see that. Thats why I asked for card ideas so I can cover all three of those areas that I WANT to cover, not to be told what I WANT to run when I allready know what I WANT to run, I will ask for changes and your ideas later after I have the deck built and you see how it works.

U see spell canceler isint all that good its to weak and can be ran over pretty easily......but dont play decree and jinzo...play one or the other if u like jinzo then play jinzo just make sure u dont have any problems usuing him or getting control with him

---

i GOOGLE myself regularly

2292323:

1885367:

Sadly, this won't work. You're running the complete opposite of what you WANT to run.


x3 Solemn Judgement
x3 PWWB/Bottomless
x1 Torrential
x1 Mirror Force
x2/3 Dark Bribe

The Majority of a current meta lockdown is mostly traps. Namely you'll want to run anything that can negate the Special summon of Dark Armed Dragon, Synchros, Judgement Dragoon, and Gyzarus.

I actually am running what I WANT. I WANT my deck to be able to shutdown the ability for my opponent to us: traps (jinzo/royal decree), magic (only spell canceller right now), and monsters in anyway (most likely special summons). If you read my original post you would see that. Thats why I asked for card ideas so I can cover all three of those areas that I WANT to cover, not to be told what I WANT to run when I allready know what I WANT to run, I will ask for changes and your ideas later after I have the deck built and you see how it works.

That deck is impossible. First off you're expecting to run at least 3 tribute monsters of varying types, and based on your plans, you'd need to summon them in the order of Jinzo-Spell Canceller-Vanity's Fiend. Why fiend must be last is to protect it. Your deck will fall to a single 1900 attack monster, or a monster with a destruction effect tagged on.

Also, I doubt you'll get any help with that attitude. You cannot build a successful lockdown deck this meta. If you summon Jinzo, they'll Solemn it, or have a Gyzarus on the field by your following turn. If you play Spell Canceller, you'll often eat a DAD. If you use Vanity's fiend, you'll probably eat a Crush Card Virus.

Fact is, you're expecting too much in a Control Based Metagame. I know you -want- to build your way, but don't you think if it worked, someone would have already built it?

There's obvious flaws, obviously starting with the fact that monster effects will still exist. You're asking to build around Jinzo, which makes you Vulnerable, as you're running an excess of Cards to use Jinzo and bypass his effect, which leaves less utility in your deck.

If you refuse to hear the reality of what your asking us to help you make, then you shouldn't have come here expecting a bunch of people who would simply help you without at least telling you the reality of what you're going up against.

---

Level 1 YGO Rules Knowledge Judge
Come join Northern Duel Academy (View profile for Link)

1885367:

2292323:

1885367:

Sadly, this won't work. You're running the complete opposite of what you WANT to run.


x3 Solemn Judgement
x3 PWWB/Bottomless
x1 Torrential
x1 Mirror Force
x2/3 Dark Bribe

The Majority of a current meta lockdown is mostly traps. Namely you'll want to run anything that can negate the Special summon of Dark Armed Dragon, Synchros, Judgement Dragoon, and Gyzarus.

I actually am running what I WANT. I WANT my deck to be able to shutdown the ability for my opponent to us: traps (jinzo/royal decree), magic (only spell canceller right now), and monsters in anyway (most likely special summons). If you read my original post you would see that. Thats why I asked for card ideas so I can cover all three of those areas that I WANT to cover, not to be told what I WANT to run when I allready know what I WANT to run, I will ask for changes and your ideas later after I have the deck built and you see how it works.

That deck is impossible. First off you're expecting to run at least 3 tribute monsters of varying types, and based on your plans, you'd need to summon them in the order of Jinzo-Spell Canceller-Vanity's Fiend. Why fiend must be last is to protect it. Your deck will fall to a single 1900 attack monster, or a monster with a destruction effect tagged on.

Also, I doubt you'll get any help with that attitude. You cannot build a successful lockdown deck this meta. If you summon Jinzo, they'll Solemn it, or have a Gyzarus on the field by your following turn. If you play Spell Canceller, you'll often eat a DAD. If you use Vanity's fiend, you'll probably eat a Crush Card Virus.

Fact is, you're expecting too much in a Control Based Metagame. I know you -want- to build your way, but don't you think if it worked, someone would have already built it?

There's obvious flaws, obviously starting with the fact that monster effects will still exist. You're asking to build around Jinzo, which makes you Vulnerable, as you're running an excess of Cards to use Jinzo and bypass his effect, which leaves less utility in your deck.

If you refuse to hear the reality of what your asking us to help you make, then you shouldn't have come here expecting a bunch of people who would simply help you without at least telling you the reality of what you're going up against.

I wasn't trying to give attitude, I just didnt like the way you went straight into "slamming" my idea without explaining/hardly explaining why you were saying what you said. If you had explained more in your first post I would have thought about it more and reconsidered/rethought it.

2292323:

1885367:

2292323:

1885367:

Sadly, this won't work. You're running the complete opposite of what you WANT to run.


x3 Solemn Judgement
x3 PWWB/Bottomless
x1 Torrential
x1 Mirror Force
x2/3 Dark Bribe

The Majority of a current meta lockdown is mostly traps. Namely you'll want to run anything that can negate the Special summon of Dark Armed Dragon, Synchros, Judgement Dragoon, and Gyzarus.

I actually am running what I WANT. I WANT my deck to be able to shutdown the ability for my opponent to us: traps (jinzo/royal decree), magic (only spell canceller right now), and monsters in anyway (most likely special summons). If you read my original post you would see that. Thats why I asked for card ideas so I can cover all three of those areas that I WANT to cover, not to be told what I WANT to run when I allready know what I WANT to run, I will ask for changes and your ideas later after I have the deck built and you see how it works.

That deck is impossible. First off you're expecting to run at least 3 tribute monsters of varying types, and based on your plans, you'd need to summon them in the order of Jinzo-Spell Canceller-Vanity's Fiend. Why fiend must be last is to protect it. Your deck will fall to a single 1900 attack monster, or a monster with a destruction effect tagged on.

Also, I doubt you'll get any help with that attitude. You cannot build a successful lockdown deck this meta. If you summon Jinzo, they'll Solemn it, or have a Gyzarus on the field by your following turn. If you play Spell Canceller, you'll often eat a DAD. If you use Vanity's fiend, you'll probably eat a Crush Card Virus.

Fact is, you're expecting too much in a Control Based Metagame. I know you -want- to build your way, but don't you think if it worked, someone would have already built it?

There's obvious flaws, obviously starting with the fact that monster effects will still exist. You're asking to build around Jinzo, which makes you Vulnerable, as you're running an excess of Cards to use Jinzo and bypass his effect, which leaves less utility in your deck.

If you refuse to hear the reality of what your asking us to help you make, then you shouldn't have come here expecting a bunch of people who would simply help you without at least telling you the reality of what you're going up against.

I wasn't trying to give attitude, I just didnt like the way you went straight into "slamming" my idea without explaining/hardly explaining why you were saying what you said. If you had explained more in your first post I would have thought about it more and reconsidered/rethought it.

Do I need to explain it? If you're a competent player you would have understood it simply by looking at how the meta is. The Meta isn't even Trap based, it's Monster Based (Gyzarus, DAD, JD, DLZ, DMOC, Celestia, Heraklinos, all being the "Ace" monsters of the format).

Running Jinzo this format is flat out pointless. Best it will do is slow down Solemn until they yank out Gyzarus or DAD which you'll hand them on a silver platter.

---

Level 1 YGO Rules Knowledge Judge
Come join Northern Duel Academy (View profile for Link)

Perhaps there is a different way to run a shutdown deck without playing Jinzo, Spell Cancellor, and Vanity's Fiend. When I picture a shutdown deck, I think about cards that rob your opponents of their options. The above tribute monsters are good. But again in all honesty, playing 3 tribute monsters is trouble in a control orientated format.

But playing cards like Ojama Trio and Nimble Musasabi to setup your opponent for being locked down with Spatial Collapse might be the effect you've been looking for. Of course, you'll also need to maximize cards that help you draw (Allure Of Darkness, Upstart Goblin, and negate opposing threats (Solemn Judgment and Dark Bribe).

Spatial Collapse: Continuous Trap Card: You can only activate this card when both you and your opponent each have 5 or less cards on the field. As long as this card remains face-up on the field, the total number of cards that each player can have on the field is 5."

Nimble Musasabi: When this card is destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard, inflict 500 damage to your opponent. You can also Special Summon up to 2 "Nimble Musasabi" from your deck to your opponent's side of the field in face-up Attack Position. This card cannot be tributed for a tribute summon.

Once you've established a lockdown situation, play Wave-Motion Cannon, Stealth Bird, or Solar Flare Dragon and your opponent will scoop up their cards and side for the following duel. The only real problem with this idea is Ojama Trio is limited. I think this deck would be good to experiment with for fun. Hopefully this helps a little.

---

Level 1 Yugioh Rules
Level 1 Yugioh Player Managment

If that's your definition, does that make GB decks "Shutdown" decks, considering some run PWWBs and abuse Gyzarus to remove field options?

Anyhow Shutdown decks ideally work like the Spatial Collapse strategem, but then again that makes it harder for you to lose, as again you're looking for a large amount of cards (anything over 3 is considered a "worthless" combo due to the probably of getting it's too low). And of those (Ojama Trio) you got a limited card that won't be returning to prevent the abusive use of Trios and a variety of other cards (which could form a simple 2 turn kill).

If you want shutdown, it won't work due to the meta's far too control based. Either you build a control deck slightly geared to negating their summons, or you build a regular old control deck, that's as "Shutdown" as it gets. Anything that even relies on a combo is impossible due to Solemn Judgment's existance, if not Gladiator Beast Gyzarus.

---

Level 1 YGO Rules Knowledge Judge
Come join Northern Duel Academy (View profile for Link)

I see what you are trying to do here, I had my Horus Lockdown with 5 Headed Dragong and Return from different  dimension deck back in the days but sadly it isn't going to work now, even back then( about 3-4 formats ago) it was an ok deck but not more than that.

You might want to try to run it at locals or with friends but not anything really compititve, hell, I am playing claudians and though I lose like most of the time with them at least I am having a blast trying to make them less pitiful as they are. so here is what I'd suggest

Spell canceler is really  quite a bad card, locks you out of spells as well, you might want to switch to Horus, easier to summon with his level up abilities and cancels spells that you want to cancel, maybe even Light and Darkness dragon it shuts down about anything for a short period of time, you can throw in Jinzo there for a good taste and might even use plasma though hard to summon it is insanly good in monster effect based games if you like it but you should base it on some sort of engine, as far as I can see the best one suited for this currently is destiny hero, it is very stable and allows to draw quickly through your deck and perform special summons to cards like LaDD, Horus or Jinzo with Dasher. So if you like the idea here is the rough draft  I had in mind while writing it up

2 Dasher
1 Fearmonger
1 Stratos
1 Diskcommander
1 Plasma
1 Jinzo
1 LaDD
1 Horus LV8
2 Horus LV6
2 Giant Rat
1 Exiled Force
1 Neo Spacian Grand Mole
1 Card Trooper
1 Treeborn Frog

2 Fire's Of Doomsday
1 Scapegoat
3 Destiny Draw
2 Trade in

Far from being complete but I think that it looks nice so far, I mean if you like it you could put some more effort into it and make something that you will be happy with, though I warn you again I doubt that it will be very good on competive arena. Good luck with the deck.

 

 

maybe ground collapse might help.

2303465:

maybe ground collapse might help.

H to the ELL NO

3 d.d. crows will lock down alot of decks aswell

---

the only true and pure anti-meta player.. meta sucks!

I know is a crazy idea but this is a game , it should be fun.
I have a friend who has this very deck, is not going to win every time because of all the weakness and holes in the waiting for the right cards, but if you could see the faces of those who lost to it when he lands those five cards,

Horus LV8, Jinzo and 3 Ground Collapse

There is nothing they can do..., almost.