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What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
Last post 11-12-2009, 7:28 PM by Mindhammer. 20 replies.
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11-11-2009, 12:24 AM |
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Siggie
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What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
Imagine this ABC Selection:
Chain Heal Healing Wave Flash of Light Cleanse Purge Bulwark of Azinoth Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros Soulseeker Boots of the Crimson Hawk
That's right, I'm talking about the biggest and baddest meta-defining staples of them all, each from various stages of the game.
Haruka was the first rising star, power-housing out of the gate with game-defining elements of what it meant to be broken or not. Vashj stuck a boot on the end of her tail and used a couple of those extra arms to hold aloft a mighty staff, soon-after establishing her dominance in the meta. And Savin has risen to become one of the most answer-demanding defenders in the game, thanks to his trusty shield.
Now, a strong case can be made for Morova, as has been pointed out in the Strategy forums already--source unknown, but my money is on this towering inferno of honor as one of the parties you have to have a solution for to break through to days 2 for events holding Tri-Color Constructed.
The results from Realms will be interesting, but with the constructed format for DMF Las Vegas featuring a return of this previously side-event only format, we're looking at a new, exciting era in World of Warcraft Minis.
We'll have to talk about parties that aren't influenced overly much by map-selection until the scenario for DMF:Vegas is announced.
Can you topple this looming threat?
Cheers!
-teh Sig
Christopher "Siggie teh Sig" Nugent Find me on facebook with liiamealone @ yahoo dot com email me at teh_Sig @yahoo dot com
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11-11-2009, 12:41 AM |
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CorayThan
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
I think there are quite a few options that wouldn't have too many problems with that team.
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11-11-2009, 12:42 AM |
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Siggie
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
2486571:I think there are quite a few options that wouldn't have too many problems with that team.
Name some!
Christopher "Siggie teh Sig" Nugent Find me on facebook with liiamealone @ yahoo dot com email me at teh_Sig @yahoo dot com
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11-11-2009, 3:37 AM |
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
Vashj + Savin is likely to be the backbone of a lot of teams. I'm still not sure whether Thangal isn't a better fit than Haruka. All those defense rerolls are equivalent to healing (when you need it, at 0 tick cost), and the offensive re-rolls are equivalent to damage (more so for Vashj, considering the loss of Arcane Flux). Re-rolls on Flash of Light aren't too shabby either. Chain Heal and Healing Wave can be replaced by Rejuv and Tranquility, or Starfire when you want to do your Haruka impression. You lose the ability to carry Purge in an off-Vashj slot to deal with ice block, and Thangal is a bit squishier, but it's a thought.
Morganis with Arcane Flux and Mana Pot also feels like a good choice for the Horde slot. Vashj gets her crits, and Morganis can get down to 1 for 7. Bulwark, BoW, and Mana Pot probably give him enough time to pay for his 6 honor. A bit light on the toughness, but more than makes up for it in beats. Spellsteal for the board to deal with ice block?
Just my two cents.
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11-11-2009, 8:56 AM |
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Mindhammer
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
Kael'thas/Savin/Thangal should be able to beat Vashj/Savin/X
And Ruby/Enaria/Blindloc...
I wanted to give everyone a list of all the trustworthy people who traded with me on this site, but it exceeds maximum character length. To me, that's a hopeful sign.
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11-11-2009, 9:30 AM |
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MendFredy
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
Kael wall...
Kael'thas/Savin/Aleyah with a 1 tick flamestrike and Kaels shock barrier to make up for his lack of healing this 30 honor team will give people fits!
Disclaimer: This post may contain information that is based on opinion, speculation, or insane rantings. If you are an overly sensitive person, have no sense of humor, or have any religious beliefs of any kind you are hereby encouraged to stop reading now.
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11-11-2009, 9:45 AM |
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Siggie
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
2678688:Kael wall...
Kael'thas/Savin/Aleyah with a 1 tick flamestrike and Kaels shock barrier to make up for his lack of healing this 30 honor team will give people fits!
Soz, but no. Kael's flamestrike is not a magic attack, so it cannot benefit from BoW. When he plays his card, if it resolves, you put a counter in play--that's it. It doesnt become a magic attack that he makes until his next turn. Kael and Ixamos make interesting bedfellows, though. Cheers! -teh Sig
Christopher "Siggie teh Sig" Nugent Find me on facebook with liiamealone @ yahoo dot com email me at teh_Sig @yahoo dot com
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11-11-2009, 9:52 AM |
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JerryDamage01
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
2465615: Kael and Ixamos make interesting bedfellows, though.
Cheers!
-teh Sig
But if you play Ixamos you can't use Savin. Decisions, decisions.
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11-11-2009, 10:06 AM |
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DelusionalWarlock
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
2465615: 2678688:Kael wall...
Kael'thas/Savin/Aleyah with a 1 tick flamestrike and Kaels shock barrier to make up for his lack of healing this 30 honor team will give people fits!
Soz, but no. Kael's flamestrike is not a magic attack, so it cannot benefit from BoW. When he plays his card, if it resolves, you put a counter in play--that's it. It doesnt become a magic attack that he makes until his next turn. Kael and Ixamos make interesting bedfellows, though. Cheers! -teh Sig
are you sure about that, siggie? wasn't it ruled that mana pot will work for Kael's FS? so why wouldn't savin's blessing?
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11-11-2009, 10:39 AM |
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
Tricolor just means I have to paint two of my mortimers green and blue, right?
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11-11-2009, 11:27 AM |
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
2086719:
are you sure about that, siggie? wasn't it ruled that mana pot will work for Kael's FS? so why wouldn't savin's blessing?
Kael'thas's Flamestrike, T2R2, Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider Fire Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider Only Place a flame counter in target space within range. <p> At the start of Kael'thas's next turn, he makes a [M8] (Fire) attack against all enemies on or adjacent to that counter. [Crit]: Damage +1. (Remove that counter after the attack or as Kael'thas leaves play.)
Seeing as Kael'thas's Flamestrike is not an attack as per the latest OCR. It would not be affected by Mana Potion (which specifically says Magic Attack) and Savin which also specifies Magic Attack.
Mana Potion, T0 Instant—Item This character pays [T1] less to make its next [Magic] attack this turn. (Pay a minimum of [T1].)
Savin Lightguard, 8, Alliance Dwarf Paladin—Retribution, 3A 3R 8H Grand Marshal's Demolisher [T4R1P7] (Melee) [Crit]: Damage +X, where X is the number of damaged allies (including this character). Blessing of Wisdom: Each adjacent ally may pay [T1] less to make a [Magic] attack. (Pay a minimum of [T1] for this attack.) If it does, also add [T1] to Savin.
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11-11-2009, 12:07 PM |
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JerryDamage01
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
1754046:Tricolor just means I have to paint two of my mortimers green and blue, right?
Only if you paint the other one red to show it's representing the Horde.
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11-11-2009, 12:19 PM |
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DelusionalWarlock
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
1202630: 2086719:
are you sure about that, siggie? wasn't it ruled that mana pot will work for Kael's FS? so why wouldn't savin's blessing?
Kael'thas's Flamestrike, T2R2, Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider Fire Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider Only Place a flame counter in target space within range. <p> At the start of Kael'thas's next turn, he makes a [M8] (Fire) attack against all enemies on or adjacent to that counter. [Crit]: Damage +1. (Remove that counter after the attack or as Kael'thas leaves play.)
Seeing as Kael'thas's Flamestrike is not an attack as per the latest OCR. It would not be affected by Mana Potion (which specifically says Magic Attack) and Savin which also specifies Magic Attack.
Mana Potion, T0 Instant—Item This character pays [T1] less to make its next [Magic] attack this turn. (Pay a minimum of [T1].)
Savin Lightguard, 8, Alliance Dwarf Paladin—Retribution, 3A 3R 8H Grand Marshal's Demolisher [T4R1P7] (Melee) [Crit]: Damage +X, where X is the number of damaged allies (including this character). Blessing of Wisdom: Each adjacent ally may pay [T1] less to make a [Magic] attack. (Pay a minimum of [T1] for this attack.) If it does, also add [T1] to Savin.
if there's one thing i dislike about this game.. it's how rules keep on going back and forth on issues.. i'll take your word for it and assume that this is the true ruling
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11-11-2009, 12:27 PM |
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skey23
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
There has been no 'back-and-forth' on this issue.
It was never ruled that Mana Pot would work on Prince Kael'Thas's Flamestrike.
Almost as soon as the cards were released, the official card reference was updated to show this card was not an attack.
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11-11-2009, 12:43 PM |
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Re: What will beat Haruka/Savin/Vashj in Vegas?
Thank you Siggie. I was not positive on this one so I am glad you set me strait.
Disclaimer: This post may contain information that is based on opinion, speculation, or insane rantings. If you are an overly sensitive person, have no sense of humor, or have any religious beliefs of any kind you are hereby encouraged to stop reading now.
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