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Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
Last post 09-04-2009, 3:16 PM by wulfgar5150. 14 replies.
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09-02-2009, 3:24 AM |
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Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
Party All the Time - Blue in the Face By Tony Faber
Don’t underestimate them or think they’re
a joke in any way at all. Play sloppily for a couple of turns and
you’ll realize that you’re about 20 ticks away from a long, slow,
painful loss.
80 Horde Priest - Tichondrius 80 Alliance Rogue - Icecrown
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09-02-2009, 6:01 AM |
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BlackBloc
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
Pozsgay's trick against Mortimers? Silk Bandage. The more you can fit in SB, the better.
Get DOTted, then pull off Silk Bandage and heal off the DOT damage, forcing them to attack to break channel, which would let you Ice Block to remove all DOTs.
"The beatings will continue until morale has improved." - Standard corporate management technique
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09-02-2009, 3:35 PM |
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Isgee
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
The Irana player loses at the end of tick 15, don't they?
3x CoA, 3x Corr v. 3x IB 1x Silk Bandage 2x Counterspell
It would be difficult for them to Counter more than one Agony if the Mortimer player screens properly, so we'll assume 2 land. Those 2 Irana's die at the ends of ticks 10 / 15, respectively. One bandages, the other doesn't. The third irana will die at the end of tick 15, unless they get more than one bandage tick (new agony), which is unlikely considering that you can attack it, now that it has died once. Then, the Mort player just needs to claim 6 VPs, likely 3 at EoT 5, 2 at EoT 10, and X at EoT 15.
It seems heavily in the favor of Morts.
-Ben
Isgee is, by definition, a snob.
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09-02-2009, 4:28 PM |
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Bluefood
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
I first saw this party at gencon during a qualifier. The player had really cool repaints and I was interested to see how his party played out. This article helped me alot in understanding some of the points I would not have considered. As usual you, Corle, and Ben continue to educate me in the finer points of mini play. Well done.
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09-03-2009, 6:35 AM |
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wulfgar5150
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
Maybe you need to play a different build then if you don;t like that one. In the DMF I ran Trip Iranas which some were repainted and I went 2-1 against Mortimer. 2 of the Mortimer players I played against were in the top 8. I probably am just very lucky to have been able to have a winning record at all with this team, much less make a top 8 in a tournament that has 90+ people in it. And I didn't even have a friend scoop to me at all not in round 5 like one of the top 8 guys and in the last round like another top 8 guy.
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09-03-2009, 6:51 AM |
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wulfgar5150
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
2593882:I first saw this party at gencon during a qualifier. The player had really cool repaints and I was interested to see how his party played out. This article helped me alot in understanding some of the points I would not have considered. As usual you, Corle, and Ben continue to educate me in the finer points of mini play. Well done.
I did not play in any qualifiers but I had Irana repaints, one was green and brown. I also had the bases attached to the model and functioning. I am not sure if I am the person you are talking about though. I didn;t see any other Irana repaints though.
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09-03-2009, 6:53 AM |
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wulfgar5150
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
Strangely for the last week or so people have been drafting in 4 man pods every day on Vassal. I guess they just made a great guess and got an early start.......
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09-03-2009, 1:04 PM |
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Bluefood
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
I believe the top four in our qualifier was Y vigor, me with zoo, a good Vellen wall player and trip irana with one of the repaint being a balck and silver repaint.
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09-03-2009, 9:20 PM |
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solarman9
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
i would trade out an elanna for one of the iranas, the auto crit with flamestrike is a great combo. I have had much better luck with it instead of triple irana.
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09-04-2009, 4:15 AM |
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Roark Slader
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
One thing to remember about Iranas is that your build definitely affects how the team plays. Figure out the build that goes with your playstyle besides the obvious freezing yourself to the VP. :D
For the warlock matchup, Healing Potion is a great idea but required that you heal both points or it would be wasted. Silk Bandage does not have this dependence making it a LOT stronger, IMO. This coming from a guy who got smoked by the heal pots.
The other thing to keep in mind though is that if the Iranas 2 Shot the first Mort, the Mort player will now have a lot of trouble getting there, as they will be missing some DoTs on top of the 1 that gets counterspelled.
Pozsgay and I ran the spellsteals during the spectral safari because we thought there might be other ice block players there. Alas.
My top 8 appearances are limited to bringing good players water and crabs.
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09-04-2009, 9:10 AM |
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wulfgar5150
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
1913468:One thing to remember about Iranas is that your build definitely affects how the team plays. Figure out the build that goes with your playstyle besides the obvious freezing yourself to the VP. :D For the warlock matchup, Healing Potion is a great idea but required that you heal both points or it would be wasted. Silk Bandage does not have this dependence making it a LOT stronger, IMO. This coming from a guy who got smoked by the heal pots. The other thing to keep in mind though is that if the Iranas 2 Shot the first Mort, the Mort player will now have a lot of trouble getting there, as they will be missing some DoTs on top of the 1 that gets counterspelled. Pozsgay and I ran the spellsteals during the spectral safari because we thought there might be other ice block players there. Alas.
I think you are 100% accurate as I would have rather, after speeking with you, run the Silk Bandage. Like I said after the match we played, I had not actualy play tested the match at all on ly thought how the match needed to go to get the win. I had been trying to get everything play tested for over a month before Gen Con with the team I just did not have time and so some matches ended up just being theory. The match with you was a good one and I am glad you made it into the top 8 still.
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09-04-2009, 9:55 AM |
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
1207521:The Irana player loses at the end of tick 15, don't they?
3x CoA, 3x Corr v. 3x IB 1x Silk Bandage 2x Counterspell
It would be difficult for them to Counter more than one Agony if the Mortimer player screens properly, so we'll assume 2 land. Those 2 Irana's die at the ends of ticks 10 / 15, respectively. One bandages, the other doesn't. The third irana will die at the end of tick 15, unless they get more than one bandage tick (new agony), which is unlikely considering that you can attack it, now that it has died once. Then, the Mort player just needs to claim 6 VPs, likely 3 at EoT 5, 2 at EoT 10, and X at EoT 15.
It seems heavily in the favor of Morts.
-Ben
I feel like there are a large number of leaps in logic here, but perhaps it's the context that makes it confusing. Are you assuming that an Irana with Silk Bandage dies? If so... how?
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09-04-2009, 10:38 AM |
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Isgee
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
An Irana with both Silk Bandage and Agony/Corr will die: On tick 15, if it fails at least 2 of the 5 rolls. On tick 20, no matter what.
That Irana will also have wasted an absolute minimum of 7 ticks of the game Bandaging itself, an average of 10 ticks doing that. This means that Irana will get either one or two attacks, depending. Of the other two Iranas, one will die to Corruption at the end of Tick 15, the other to Corruption / Agony at the end of tick 10.
-Ben
Isgee is, by definition, a snob.
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09-04-2009, 12:43 PM |
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
1207521:An Irana with both Silk Bandage and Agony/Corr will die: On tick 15, if it fails at least 2 of the 5 rolls. ... Of the other two Iranas, one will die to Corruption at the end of Tick 15
So, here's one of the many leaps in logic I was talking about. You're assuming that the Irana player decides to heal the bandage-holding Irana, despite the fact that it needs to heal 4 damage. I would expect the Irana player to do something much more intelligent: heal the Irana with only Corruption on it. She would need only 2 successes to guarantee the model lives another 5 ticks, rather than the 4 you assume in your scenario. I understand that this line of thought is not in line with what I said earlier. Yes, you've correctly identified that the Irana with Silk Bandage will eventually die. However, the overall scenario you've created is not correct.
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09-04-2009, 3:16 PM |
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wulfgar5150
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Re: Party All the Time - Blue in the Face
1207521:An Irana with both Silk Bandage and Agony/Corr will die: On tick 15, if it fails at least 2 of the 5 rolls. On tick 20, no matter what.
That Irana will also have wasted an absolute minimum of 7 ticks of the game Bandaging itself, an average of 10 ticks doing that. This means that Irana will get either one or two attacks, depending. Of the other two Iranas, one will die to Corruption at the end of Tick 15, the other to Corruption / Agony at the end of tick 10.
-Ben
You should just let the Irana die at 15. You take your actions attacking before you need to worry and after you know you will live through tick 10. This means a Mortimer will not get more than 1-3 kills (depending on how much they want to get their Morts in the line of fire to 3 Iranas) in the first 15 ticks. If the Irana's are doing average dice it will take 2-3 attacks to kill a Mortimer. So will each Mortimer get both Dots off on each Irana in the first 5 ticks? Most likely not. So you end up not doing as well as you might think with Morts.
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