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Re: New ABC Smite

2316517 — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:30:03 GMT

I like the card and the fact that it doesn't allow defense rolls, but I think it's a bit weak. 3 dice on average means 2 successes, and the crit is not relevant. 2 ticks to make 2 damage are better spent in dots imo. And a short-range somewhat weak attack card is not what priests need to be playable.

Re: New ABC Smite

2919645 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:43:32 GMT

Am I missing something here? This card is playable by all priests with the exception of Omedus and priests in shadowform. It certainly doesn't fix priests, but I'm looking forward to playing with these in drafts and the like.

Re: New ABC Smite

2440486 — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:39:12 GMT

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Re: New ABC Smite

2941358 — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:52:45 GMT

Smite is a weak card

worse than damage over times

it's on a poor class

Re: New ABC Smite

2655029 — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:57:45 GMT

2412136:
I like the concept behind it, but even without them rolling defense, I'm not sold on it as a 2T2R3D attack. If you had 1 more dice to it then I think it's a solid option for Priests.

Keep in mind you can boost the dice you have with Smite by Thrall's or Jaina's ability, so i felt it's kinda solid since it's a one-shot doomfinger on crack. Against HHT or Savin Wall something like this might turn to be useful.

Re: New ABC Smite

2412136 — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:54:18 GMT

I like the concept behind it, but even without them rolling defense, I'm not sold on it as a 2T2R3D attack. If you had 1 more dice to it then I think it's a solid option for Priests.

Re: New ABC Smite

2655029 — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:39:14 GMT

1464297:
2655029:
this card actually leads me to thinking there might just be a Alliance priest with an inbuilt attack that has the same text as Smite. i have no reasons for why i think it's going for the Alliance, but i feel this is how i often relate to Starfire(moonshadow, hurlok, yanna) and Arcane Blast(ruby).

Something like this?

Crit: Defenders can't make defense rolls for this attack.

However this particular CR change was just released (to answer Cairne's crit). It might be possible if they had overlooked that it couldn't operate in the CR version when they were designing set 3.

Well i'm thinking along the lines of
Smite 3T2R3M(Holy)
Crit:Heal 1 damage from this character and each adjacent ally
Defenders can't make defense rolls for this attack.

Re: New ABC Smite

1464297 — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:28:12 GMT

2655029:
this card actually leads me to thinking there might just be a Alliance priest with an inbuilt attack that has the same text as Smite. i have no reasons for why i think it's going for the Alliance, but i feel this is how i often relate to Starfire(moonshadow, hurlok, yanna) and Arcane Blast(ruby).

Something like this?

Crit: Defenders can't make defense rolls for this attack.

However this particular CR change was just released (to answer Cairne's crit). It might be possible if they had overlooked that it couldn't operate in the CR version when they were designing set 3.

Re: New ABC Smite

2655029 — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:35:44 GMT

this card actually leads me to thinking there might just be a Alliance priest with an inbuilt attack that has the same text as Smite. i have no reasons for why i think it's going for the Alliance, but i feel this is how i often relate to Starfire(moonshadow, hurlok, yanna) and Arcane Blast(ruby).

Re: New ABC Smite

2783085 — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:43:26 GMT

2160844:
I was counting the effects of MotW and GotW on *Haruka*

Oh, my bad.

Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.

2160844:
Edited: Okay, well, minus the damage +1 crit. Which would be something like 0.66 damage, not insignificant. Still, half the cost.

And half the range, on a more fragile character. Also it's 1 use per round, instead of built-in and takes an ABC slot.

It's not out and out abysmal, it just does nothing to address the core problems with Holy Priests, which is more a matter of their character cards than ABCs. I don't think anyone is passing Boris over right now, thinking "If I just had an ok 1-use attack ABC instead of these good heals and dispels, he'd be right up there with Warlocks!"

Re: New ABC Smite

1370438 — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:38:47 GMT

I agree with Slander, it's just short of being good in a vacuum, but in context it's like... just can't do it. Okay let's say you're running a Shadow Priest, you aren't running this over Mind Blast. As a Holy Priest, you may run this over Holy Nova, but it's close.

Remember that big, 3 page long debate about how Priests are locked into weak attacks and low range and they won't get any better? Well Souls of Vengence isn't looking so hot. Good Hunter card, weak Rogue and Priest cards. AWSUM.

Re: New ABC Smite

2160844 — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:19:51 GMT

I was counting the effects of MotW and GotW on *Haruka*, which anyone with knowledge of the meta wouldn't think it's a far fetched scenario. And the reasoning behind that is that, as the Resist gets higher, this becomes more and more attractive compared to a standard attack. I was showing how this was ramping up in a common scenario.

If Haruka is only benefitting from Gift of the Wild, you'll do with this (about) as much damage as Conqueror Aluna would with her main attack. If she's got Mark too, then you're edging out the damage output of Aluna. For half the ticks.

The math doesn't lie.

Edited: Okay, well, minus the damage +1 crit. Which would be something like 0.66 damage, not insignificant. Still, half the cost.

Re: New ABC Smite

2783085 — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:52:38 GMT

2160844:
To put the whining in perspective: against a plain old Haruka (or anything Resist 3) this has the damage output equivalent of a 6 dice for 2 ticks attack. Against Haruka with a Gift reroll, 2 for about 7. Against Haruka with a MotW + Gift, 2 for 8 or so.

I think the "Horde Holy Priest on the offense with Mark of the Wild and Gift of the Wild" scenario is edging out of perspective :)

You can't really include enhancements in a comparison since they apply to any attack. It's like saying Bogstrok Razorclaw isn't so bad if you stick Lycanthropy and Mark of the Wild on him.

Comparing it to Corruption is not really fair either. It does +.1 damage and is instant, but Corruption has longer range, deals continuous damage, recharges, and is available to characters that are already much, much better than Holy Priests.

I was waiting for an ignore defense attack, but this card is, in context, awful. If it recharged or had a relevant crit, it might be worth considering.

Holy Priests aren't fixed by replacing the best (only) thing they have going for them right now, healing/dispel ABCs, with an ok, once per round attack. If I just want magic attacks, I'll stick with mages who have better attacks built into their Character card.

Re: New ABC Smite

2160844 — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:11:37 GMT

To put the whining in perspective: against a plain old Haruka (or anything Resist 3) this has the damage output equivalent of a 6 dice for 2 ticks attack. Against Haruka with a Gift reroll, 2 for about 7. Against Haruka with a MotW + Gift, 2 for 8 or so.

For more perspective: this is slightly above (2.1 damage) a Corruption without Recharge, that occurs now instead of on ticks 5/10.

OMG priests are totally nerfed !1!!!11eleventy!

The only thing that could make this better is if it was Shadow. Or if there's a Holy equivalent to Shadowform coming down the pike.

Edited: Sorry for the snark. It's just this reminds me so much of how the first month of the game, everybody was claiming Corruption was nerfed because it was WAY too slow to ding somebody with it compared to attacking.

Re: New ABC Smite

965908 — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:14:20 GMT

1370438:
Ugh, would it kill them to make it 2-2-4? As is it's a nice finisher for people with 1-2 health left, and with a reroll it's not bad at all, but it has short range (the plague of Priests) and an irrelevant crit. If there's a priest that buffs Holy attacks it's interesting, or next to Jaina... but I don't think it stands alone as good enough.

I have to agree with you here. The inability to resist damage on it is "neat" but the range and the action bar slot make this card on par with Serpent Sting. Cool idea, Bad implementation.