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Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

Last post 11-05-2009, 7:25 PM by MaskedAmeoba. 90 replies.
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  •  10-21-2009, 10:24 AM 1846953 in reply to 1846923

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    chimera shot is around what I expected to be ... but I honestly expected it to at least be instant ant free usable with a ranged weapon exhaust :(

    here goes my hope they will make an improve (glyphed) serpent sting and maybe a cheaper and better viper ... and all could be ok

    the power in itself is great ... just the support cards (stings ) are lacking

    as for Army of the dead ... DK is already more playable then hunter ...
    this just made it one of the top contenders for block unless other classes get something equally sick
    not to mention DK will be most likely the most powerful class  you can draft if u get this in your first pick

  •  10-21-2009, 10:28 AM 1846955 in reply to 1846953

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    2429108:

    as for Army of the dead ... DK is already more playable then hunter ...
    this just made it one of the top contenders for block unless other classes get something equally sick
    not to mention DK will be most likely the most powerful class  you can draft if u get this in your first pick

    Which Block are you talking about?

    Cheers.


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  •  10-21-2009, 10:55 AM 1846971 in reply to 1846955

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    1189990:
    2429108:

    as for Army of the dead ... DK is already more playable then hunter ...
    this just made it one of the top contenders for block unless other classes get something equally sick
    not to mention DK will be most likely the most powerful class  you can draft if u get this in your first pick


    Which Block are you talking about?

    Cheers.

    Why wouldnt they have a scourge block tournament? ... Every block so far has had a block tournament.



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  •  10-21-2009, 10:57 AM 1846973 in reply to 1846971

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    1664869:
    Why wouldnt they have a scourge block tournament? ... Every block so far has had a block tournament.

    Blockhead!

  •  10-21-2009, 10:58 AM 1846974 in reply to 1846971

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    Lanky's trying to be cute and catch someone making a mistake(I think)
    No quote for you!

  •  10-21-2009, 1:59 PM 1847083 in reply to 1846955

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    1189990:
    2429108:

    as for Army of the dead ... DK is already more playable then hunter ...
    this just made it one of the top contenders for block unless other classes get something equally sick
    not to mention DK will be most likely the most powerful class  you can draft if u get this in your first pick

    Which Block are you talking about?

    Cheers.


    I meant the scourgewar block ... DK's will be one of the best drafting classes if you open an army of the dead
    >.>


  •  10-21-2009, 2:13 PM 1847094 in reply to 1847083

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    That might have something to do with the entire set being weighted towards DK. (call it a hunch)
  •  10-21-2009, 2:15 PM 1847096 in reply to 1847083

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    DK card seems outright nasty in limited.

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  •  10-21-2009, 3:21 PM 1847124 in reply to 1847096

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    I'm sad to see Army of the Dead. I had heard about it and was hoping it was being described wrong to me.

    Don't get me wrong, it's a fine card for constructed, as it gives DK a powerful ability that no other class has. The ability to sweep the board and make an army in one fell swoop is extremely powerful, and DK likely needed something like this to define it as a class.

    My problem is that Army of the Dead is simply TOO strong for limited play. Limited is all about ally-based strategies, and the ability to wipe both sides clear and simultaneously create an army of 3/3's on your side is far and away the most powerful limited card in the history of WoW. Stronger than Misery, stronger than Ishanah, stronger than any "bomb" in the past, and I will defend that against any card you can name.

    The main problem is that this card doesn't require any finesse or skill to use this card to win the game. With previous board sweepers, like Invoke the Nether, there was a skill to determining when the "right" time to play these cards were, and a skill to "baiting" your opponent into playing more allies to catch with them. And, when you played them, you had to have a good plan of "now that all the allies are gone, how do I translate this advantage into a win"?
    With Army of the Dead, there is almost no "wrong" time to play the card. Basically, any time there are more than 3 allies on the board, if you play this card, you are at such a huge advantage that it would take a significantly powerful counter-play from your opponent to overcome the advantage. If you ever resolve this card with more than 5 allies in play, barring a board-sweeper from your opponent, I can't imagine how you could lose the game.
    Sure there are "better" times to play this card, but I suspect that even when this card is not played at the optimal time, it will still win the game for its player very often. I would argue that a sealed deck comprised solely of blank, average-statted dudes, and had no abilities other than Army of the Dead, would win almost every game where it resolved Army of the Dead if the opponent didn't have an immediate board sweeper to counter it. Basically, where limited decks are expected to "play fair", Army of the Dead is the most unreal unfair card in limited play.

    Is this hyperbole? It might seem like it, but I think I'm right here. This card is simply too powerful for limited play, and it makes me hesitant about my chances at DMF Vegas. I feel like the top tables will be filled with players that opened Army of the Dead, and I feel like if I don't open the card I'm at such a severe disadvantage against anyone who does have it, more so than any other limited bomb ever in WoW.



  •  10-21-2009, 3:43 PM 1847132 in reply to 1847124

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    Totally Agree

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  •  10-21-2009, 3:51 PM 1847133 in reply to 1847132

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    Anthony, I disagree. Army of the Dead is a limited bomb no doubt, but so are cards like Uplifting Prayer, Invoke the Nether, Combustion, etc. Like most bombs, they can be played around. AotD doesn't say "Oops I win" anymore than Devil-Stitched Leggings does. I've won (and lost) plenty of games where me or my opponent would only play 1 ally at a time to counter board sweepers or Rula.

    I don't think it's anywhere as unfair as Misery or Ishanah.

    But you're right that DMF Las Vegas will be dominated by good players with bombs. That's how sealed events work. That's why I hope UDE will get an all-draft DMF going soon. =)


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  •  10-21-2009, 3:57 PM 1847136 in reply to 1847133

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    The best bit about Army of the Dead was when Ben put down the BE DK against me and I laughed like a little girl when I flipped over Mother Misery, having seen him Army Up a bit earlier.

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  •  10-21-2009, 4:22 PM 1847148 in reply to 1847133

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    1284658:
    Anthony, I disagree. Army of the Dead is a limited bomb no doubt, but so are cards like Uplifting Prayer, Invoke the Nether, Combustion, etc. Like most bombs, they can be played around. AotD doesn't say "Oops I win" anymore than Devil-Stitched Leggings does.


    I think you're missing something big, and I ask you to envision how you play against this card. As you said before, when playing against a board sweeper like Invoke the Nether, the right play is to just lay one big threat at a time, and force your opponent to eventually waste the board sweeper as a 1-for-1.
    However, the only reason that strategy works is because your opponent cannot lay his own slew of allies, because he will lose them to his own board sweeper if he has to play it, and he won't have as many threats following his board sweeper when he does play it. However, Army of the Dead solves both of those problems. The DK player can commit as many allies to the board as he wants, and it creates a lose/lose situation for you. Either (a) you play your own allies out to counter his dominating board presence, which allows him to Army of the Dead and make a massive number of 3/3's and win the game, or (b) you don't play out more allies, and he just wins via his dominating board presence.

    So, I guess my point is, that there's no good way to play around the card. Your strategy of "play 1 good threat at a time" just doesn't work against Army of the Dead.




  •  10-21-2009, 4:29 PM 1847161 in reply to 1847148

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    thank god that we rogues got Carnage :D
  •  10-21-2009, 4:39 PM 1847170 in reply to 1847148

    Re: Scourgewar - A Gunslinger's Glimpse

    So when playing against a DK you can't let the board get too cluttered. Yeah, it looks really powerful, but I'd rather open Misery.

    Certainly seems far too soon to be worrying about it when we haven't seen what kind of answers there are.



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