US Nats did not give out UDE Sponsered Trips to Worlds last year why would you think Euro Nats would this year?

Thought you said this was not about the prizes?

Also it seems pretty easy to attend a DMF in Europe. Someone mentioned 2-3 DMFs plus Realms and you probably qualed Worlds. Dunno if it is that easy but I would not be surprised to see something similair or even easier then last year.

Also expected attendance 75? Not sure where that number came from but I am sure you are looking at the GenCon prizes when making this agrument and I hope you do realize GenCon will probably draw 400-500. North America is not supporting 5-6 tournaments like Europe is and GenCon will make the cost so it is not as bad as having a tournament all on its own.

Maybe work on next years Europe Nats being combined together and the prize structure and invite list would be similiar to GenCon. I am guessing what killed Europe from the getgo was having to pay for 5-6 different nationals.

I didn't say the expected attendence was 75, helps if you read what I post before replying. I said that the Continental Championships was giving out 75 invites vs the 91 from the previous year for the World Championships from North American 'nationals'.

Also, top two got flights: http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/wow/en/organizedplay/tournament/nationals/info.aspx?aid=2628. You don't even know what you're talking about so you're efforts to debate this with me are going to be fruitless.

My honor ranking and my rating (after Nats) will most likely qualify me personally anyway even though I don't play in Darkmoon Faires for obvious reasons, so lowering the invites doesn't effect me if I want to play(nb, I honor sacked into San Diego and I'm already sacked into Paris after our Nationals assuming the Honor system is fixed). It just seems a bit silly unless you want half the previous year's attendence given a lot of Americans are not prepared to travel for it and the Europeans won't have the same honor ratings you guys do on average.

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Never said you said 75 would show up. Read it here

My bad about the flights.

Also looking at your link were there really 12 Europe area Nats last year? Will the number be the same this year? Even at 8 per that is allot of invites.

Do you really expect the tournamens to be the same as last year or you ok with the prizes being upgraded and just want the invites to be the same?

Anyways I am not trying to debate you personally I just do not think you are considering all points of view when posting. Personally I like the Europe way of doing Nats and wish North America did it that way. Would be easier for players to attend.

Also I do not think you need to worry about the invites. UDE will probably do what it takes to ensure the amount of people show that they want. Cash prizes, Euro DMFs draw 200+...pretty sure the attendance will not be an issue.

Does anyone have some info on all European Nationals. And which country goes in which Tier. Thanks in advance.

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Does anyone have some info on all European Nationals. And which country goes in which Tier. Thanks in advance.

I would love that info too.

I don't care about plane tickets. I can pay my trip to Paris.
I don't care about iPods, PS3 or what ever. I have enough of useless electronic junk.
I don't care about loot cards. I have my share of e-penis decorations.
I only care about invitation as I want participate WC. I most propably have zero chances there, but I would love the experience and I'm willing to pay my trip there. For me getting invitation from nationals is pretty much only possibility as there are no local official tournaments. Now if they cut number of invites in my nationals to 8, or more propably to 4, my job just got really hard.

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Also looking at your link were there really 12 Europe area Nats last year? Will the number be the same this year? Even at 8 per that is allot of invites.

Well first of all I'm sorry for my bad english.

Not all Events have 8 invites. For example out of the offical post:

Deutschland:
Top 8 receives an invite for Worlds

Österreich:
Top 8 receives an invite for Worlds

Schweiz:
Top 4 receives an invite for Worlds

But how come that Deutschland (Germany) which is 2 tier (at least I think it is because the price support of the UK national is exact between Germany's and Österreichs price support) higher then Österreich get the same invite number of players? Germany is tier 1 and France as well I think (this two are the nations with the most players I think). I don't know what the greatest tier possible is but I think 1 is near to the greatest possible. Shouldn't at least the tier 1 nations get 16 invitations?

When I look in the ratings there are 10492 Players in the USA, 816 in Canada means 11308 together. Germany has 3447, France has 2185  Players in rating, means a total of 6632. I know not all of these players are active (which is true for Germany just like USA and Canada) but 11308/6632=1,7 doesn't fit well with 75/16=4,7. And doen't say because there are more events running the players invited should be much less because it's cost Upperdeck more. Up to now no player in Europe will get a paid flight and hotel but USA get 8 so at least the number of invitations should be fair because this wouldn't cost Upperdeck something and also it should be reminded that even if invitet some players can't pay the cost for the travel when it's not paied.

 

One quick comment about Loot cards.

It's true that we could print more cards. But there are a finite number of _codes_ that we have available as prizes.

And no, we don't get paid in tigers. Employees are not allowed to sell them anyway.

BD

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As far as I know, the tigers we get in DMF are coming from boxes UDE EU opened.

They cannot print as much as they want to make everyone happy.

When I'll be French Champion I'll have won less than I would have by losing in a DMF finals, it's "weird" but it'll be fine, Worlds prize support is good.

Now I definately agree that not Qing top16 is very bad :
1st : people won't get to attend to worlds, it's sad
2nd : (which could be the most important) people who are Q'd for day2 with bad tiebreakers won't be able to make it to top8 even if they X-0 the draft, so they'll rare draft and screw the whole event up?
If someone make it to day2, and X-0, he definately should get an invite to Worlds.

There is something else that people seem to forget.

Worlds are gonna be a 2 days event, it looks like there are no Last Chance Qualifiers this year.

According to what we can see on these boards, at best 20 of the 75 Q'd americans are gonna make the trip, then add the 8 French, 8 German, 4 Brits, 1 Swiss, 1 Croatian, 1 of each "other country" and we'll be 50 at worlds?

I'm guessing that there won't be more than 40 invites from Top'ing at your Nationals for European players, which is lame when like 500+ would make the trip to Paris (which also is the most wonderful city in the world)

Maybe they aren't Qing anyone thru Nats because the honor rank required will be 3+?
(That's the only way it would make sense)

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Number of weekly drafts : 44 and counting.
0-4 drop at worlds (pairings suck)
Once won a game in DMF, my opponent didn't show up.

I fully agree with fireblast, there should be top16 invites.

Anyway,Fireblast, there are minimum of 8 players from Poland showing up in Paris ;)
we're booking the flights today :)

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honor lvl 7 ;)

That's good news :)

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Best ranking at weekly draft : 4th (5 showed up and I got a bye :D)
Number of weekly drafts : 44 and counting.
0-4 drop at worlds (pairings suck)
Once won a game in DMF, my opponent didn't show up.

What's UDE opinion on this?

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Best ranking at weekly draft : 4th (5 showed up and I got a bye :D)
Number of weekly drafts : 44 and counting.
0-4 drop at worlds (pairings suck)
Once won a game in DMF, my opponent didn't show up.

Whoever said that the Dutch would get the same support as Great Britain (and, apparently, Poland), was wrong. We actually got a 'tier 1' support like that of Austria :(

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Sure you are, UDE Europe is located in the Netherlands :p

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Best ranking at weekly draft : 4th (5 showed up and I got a bye :D)
Number of weekly drafts : 44 and counting.
0-4 drop at worlds (pairings suck)
Once won a game in DMF, my opponent didn't show up.

Everyone working at UDE Europe lives in Belgium ;) Hmm...might wanna check on their nats tier...

Edit: they have the same support as the NL :P except for the fact they have booster prizes announced and we haven't! We're screwed! :( Anyways, Flanders is gonna be a part of the NL soon so then we won't have this...problem anymore >)

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Type O Negative - Drunk in Paris

"The weak only strive to be weaker"
- Magus, End of Time

Team Tcgon.nl - The Whytefyre Paladin

 For the guys complaining about the top 8 at US Continentals getting paid flight and hotel, do you know how much it costs for a flight to Paris? If I buy the ticket right now its $955 dollars for the cheapest and going up to $2500+. That doesn't even include the price of a hotel. The hotels seem to range from $200-$300 on average per night. With out the flight and hotel you wouldn't see many of the top 8 even showing up at worlds. I know I can't afford to spend 2-3 thousand dollars for a weekend in Paris.