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Stuff like Sacrificial Poison and WoTf (or invincible)

Last post 11-06-2009, 9:49 AM by eprieur. 4 replies.
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  •  11-06-2009, 7:24 AM 1853617

    Stuff like Sacrificial Poison and WoTf (or invincible)

    I'm not sure I understand the ruling on this.

    If I have a ring with 2 allies or say dethvir + another non wotf ally, why can't I "pick" the wotf guy? Which rule cover this?

    Thanks as usual.


    Sacrificial Poison:
    Traitor Hero Required. Attach to target hero that your hero dealt combat damage to this turn. Ongoing: At the start of attached hero's controller's turn, he destroys an ally in his party.
  •  11-06-2009, 7:25 AM 1853619 in reply to 1853617

    Re: Stuff like Sacrificial Poison and WoTf (or invincible)

    An ally that can't be destroyed isn't selectable as the target for destruction.  Are you wanting the specific CR reference for it?
    Only two things are infinite......
  •  11-06-2009, 7:38 AM 1853627 in reply to 1853619

    Re: Stuff like Sacrificial Poison and WoTf (or invincible)

    103.2 If a modifier says that [something] can’t happen, and another modifier or rule tries to make [something] happen, that “can’t” modifier takes precedence (but see 103.3). If an action can’t be performed, any cost involving that action can’t be paid. “Can’t” modifiers are not replacement modifiers (716). Events that “can’t” happen can’t be replaced

     

    709.2b If the link has not been interrupted, resolve it. To do so, its controller must process its text in order. If a link tells a player to take an action, that player makes all choices for that action that were not already made, and can’t choose to do anything that can’t be done. (in this case destroy a wotf ally)

     

    From FoH FAQ

    ·         Will of the Forsaken

    Charkov, 5, Horde, Ally—Undead Priest, 3 [Shadow] ATK / 4 Health (Honor-123C)
    Will of the Forsaken (This ally can't leave play unless it has fatal damage or 0 health.)
    When Charkov enters play, each player puts an ally from his party into its owner's hand.

    Sivandra Darklust, 3, Horde, Ally—Undead Warlock, 3 [Shadow] ATK / 3 Health (Honor-146C)
    Will of the Forsaken (This ally can't leave play unless it has fatal damage or 0 health.)
    When Sivandra enters play, draw a card, then destroy an ally in your party.

    Example: Late in a game, your opponent controls one ally and you control none. You play Sivandra Darklust and draw a card, but she can’t be destroyed because she can’t leave play. Next, you play Charkov. Your opponent must put his ally into his hand, but neither of your allies can leave play. You can’t pay costs requiring you to destroy either of your allies or otherwise remove them from play. If either of your allies is Hibernated, it enters your resource row (because that’s not leaving play).

     


    Only two things are infinite......
  •  11-06-2009, 9:35 AM 1853699 in reply to 1853617

    Re: Stuff like Sacrificial Poison and WoTf (or invincible)

    The reason you can't "pick" a WotF guy is because Sacrifical Poison doesn't target. If an effect tells you to do something, and doesn't target, you have to make choices such that the thing actually happens, if at all possible. Here's the rule:
    Comprehensive Rules:
    709.2b  If the link has not been interrupted, resolve it. To do so, its controller must process its text in order. If a link tells a player to take an action, that player makes all choices for that action that were not already made, and can’t choose to do anything that can’t be done.
    This is one of the important distinctions between targeting and choosing.

    The hands of a healer
  •  11-06-2009, 9:49 AM 1853718 in reply to 1853699

    Re: Stuff like Sacrificial Poison and WoTf (or invincible)

    Ok thanks.
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