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Can Royal Oppression negate an effect that is not guaranteed to Special Summon a monster?

Are you talking about like Agido or Reasoning?  The answer is yes.

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johnist is correct...as these cards special summon ( that is what they are made to do) . whether that effect fails is irrelevant.

does macro cosmos special summon effect declared at activation, being abled to be oppressed, or at resolution? 

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/community/forums/thread/1103044.aspx

corpse says....'at activation'...and i agree...there are a few other threads on this topic...

can you oppress cards like big wave small wave, since you don't decide to special summon until resolution?  i will  say no....as this is not a guaranteed special summon ( in the fact that the card will special summon a monster if possible, and the player has no control over this).  once they decide to special summon...it is to late to oppress, as you are now in the resolution of a card.

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can you oppress cards like big wave small wave, since you don't decide to special summon until resolution?  i will  say no....as this is not a guaranteed special summon ( in the fact that the card will special summon a monster if possible, and the player has no control over this).  once they decide to special summon...it is to late to oppress, as you are now in the resolution of a card.

Big Wave Small Wave can be Oppressed.

Marauding Captain (if activated) can be Oppressed.

If a card has the effect that includes Special Summoning, it can be oppressed.

Van'Dalgyon can be Oppressed TWICE!

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do you have anything to back this up or is this just your opinion?  im inclined to agree with simon and corpse on the macros issue ( it matters what the player activating macros chooses to do)...( if special summoning choice accures at activation of macro, if it is chosen at resolution, you are out of luck...  this would mean big wave small wave would be ruled the same way.) 

what your saing is, you can oppress macro , regardless of whether or not the opponent activating macro wishes to special summon.

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If they activate the summon effect you can oppress Macro.  No, I'm not saying you can always oppress it.

Big Wave Small Wave's main EFFECT is to Special Summon (it's the purpose of the bloody Flaming Card!)

Van'Dalgyon can be Oppressed when he specials himself or when he specials another monster.

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big wave small wave main effect is destruction.  special summoning is an option

( and i suggest you watch how you speak to people...there is no call for your rude attitude)

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I always thought you couldn't activate it if you didn't have a water on your side of your field and in your hand.

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the only condition to activate its effect , are water monsters on yourside of the field.

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Royal Oppression can only be chained to the activation of a card (or effect) in which the choice to Special Summon a monster(s) is made at activation, OR to the Special Summon of a monster by its own inherrent effect (Cyber Dragon, Gyzarus) or a game mechanic (Synchro Monsters).

Whether the effect guarantee's a Special Summon or not is irrelevant. The only thing that is required is that a Special Summon has been declared during activation of a card(s) effect, and that it may occur during resolution.

Royal Oppression cannot be chained to the activation of a card (or effect) in which the choice to Special Summon a monster(s) is not made until resolution of the cards effect(s).

• You can chain RO to Reasoning because Reasoning intends to Special Summon a monster at the time it is first activated. The fact that the monster may not be Summoned (if the opponent calls correctly) is irrelevant as the Special Summon was still declared.
• You can chain RO to the activation of "Macro Cosmos", but only if its controller activates its Special Summon effect.
• You cannot chain RO to the activation of "Big Wave Small Wave", as the decision whether to Special Summon a monster(s) is made during resolution, and not at the time BWSW is first activated.

The simple way of knowing whether you can chain RO is this:

Does the player choose whether to special summon a monster(s) during activation (at the time costs are paid), or during resolution.

• During Activation? Yes - but only if a Special Summon effect is activated.
• During Resolution? No, as the game does not know the player's intent to Special Summon at the time the effect is first activated.

Hope this helps

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I agree with Illusion and KJ.  And for KJ, I am requesting you update (Edit)  the summon negation thread Franklin stickied to include an example with Royal Oppression being activated and other cards being added to that chain (reckless, Skill drain, whatever you prefer).  Thanks

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Royal Oppression (and all its intricities) deserves its own thread, linked to (but separate from) the Summon Negation/Response thread.

The reason for this is due to the differences between Royal Oppression and other Summon Negation Cards, which may cause confusion if listed in the same thread (such as its ability to negate special summons as a result of a monsters effect and its inability to be activated during the damage step)....

I dont have time to write such a thread at this specific moment, but will be able to do so later this afternoon.

Regarding whether other Spell Speed 2 effects can be activated during the Summon Negation Chain - the jury is out whether this is allowed.

Unlike the Damage Step, we have never been told what can/cannot be activated during the Summon Negation Chain.

As such, until we hear otherwise, I am going by the default assumption that other Spell Speed 2 effects can be activated (if they are chained to the activation of ROs effect) as nothing in the rules, or FAQs specifically prohibits this from occuring.

 

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kalani, crystal abundance would like to have a word with your statements on royal oppression^^

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Regarding whether other Spell Speed 2 effects can be activated during the Summon Negation Chain - the jury is out whether this is allowed.

Actually if you consider our level 3s the Jury, they are back in,  For ref... http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/community/forums/thread/1402240.aspx

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While I do not doubt the validity of what Johnis said... Until we have an official response on this forum, or the official FAQ - the debate can still be argued as even things Curtis says off-forum (eg. Metagame) are not considered official sources of information.

We need an official answer. Something Curtis himself has yet to provide (despite the fact that I asked this very question nearly a month ago).

With that being said, the default assumption (you can activate any card effect unless a ruling/FAQ says otherwise) supports the assumption that you can chain any Spell Speed 2 effect to Royal Oppression during the Summon Negation Chain.

You cannot however, initiate the Summon Negation Chain by using any Spell Speed 2 effect, as the only cards which can initiate this chain are Summon Negation effects (Solemn Judgment, Royal Oppression, Horn of Heaven, Black Horn of Heaven, etc).

 

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