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Hi, do we need a policy about dice? In order to include/exclude dice not included in the starter, prohibit spindown dice, about ways of throwing dice, etc?

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I think the only thing that has really come up in my experience regarding dice is that you have to roll in such a way that you get all the results at once.  Occasionally needing to reroll a die that fell off the table is fine, but just dropping the dice to the table one at a time is unacceptable.

Aside from that, Section 105 in the Comp. Rules should cover everything you need to know about dice.

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My point is, given that spindown dice exist, it is legal to use them if we only look at those rules (even if not legal in the common sense way) To the people who are not familiar with those dice, the high numbers are clustered in one "side" of the dice, therefore it is possible to roll them in a way in order to get higher results more often. The roll all dice at once would certainly eliminate some of this problem, but given its not in any written rule, it would be applied at everyone's discretion
105.1 The word “die” (or “dice”) always refers to a d10 (ten-sided die) that gives results between 1 and 9, plus a crit result. If a die has no crit result, but it has either a 0 or a 10, that number is the crit result.

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I have noticed that the oversized dice UDE has distributed in some of their Battlegrounds kits are numbered that way.  I guess it would be beneficial to get official word on this before calling it one way or the other.

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I would say that as long as all dice are rolled in such a way that any of ten outcomes is possible, they can be allowed to roll any kinds dice, as long as they follow rule 105. As far as the spinrolling, I would rule as an unfair roll and suggest the die be rolled "board game style" where it is lightly thrown from the hand onto the board.

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It has come to my attention that a player can actually learn to throw dice in a way that it spins only on the even face. This adds chances to hit and to crit by 10%. You fail to hit only 20% (instead of 30%) of the time if you learn to throw this way. I strongly suggest that all throws are made at the same time.

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It has come to my attention that a player can actually learn to throw dice in a way that it spins only on the even face. This adds chances to hit and to crit by 10%. You fail to hit only 20% (instead of 30%) of the time if you learn to throw this way. I strongly suggest that all throws are made at the same time.

he is right a friend of mine who plays with dice can roll very well, he would get 10s/crits constantly until we had him start rolling all of his dice at once then the "luck" ran out
*it needs to be noted that my friend does not play minis thats why i labeled the crits as tens

also i am participating in the spectral event and as a player i will be concerned about people using oversized dice since the rolling of them could infact mess with the board or other die currently being rolled
and count down dice do infact bother me as a player because they can be so easily messed with

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~Covey

I could see a line in maybe the tournament policy on what to do if someone rolls too many / too few dice.

on Russian safari where i played, there was ~quarter of people who not roll, but just slide dice from hand ~3-4cm above the table. so this way they seen only one\two not success(less then 4) results, in round when i faced them. When i said them ROLL dices, not slide them, they just gtfo me, as its not written anywhere how roll\throw them. After such exp. i just skip\ignore all events with same people, as they make a joke of your attempts to play game.

I cheat, then I think.

I roll up to 9 dice at a time with Starfire on Bog Elemental and can achieve upwards of seven or eight 1s at a time on a regular basis.

That is to say, I noticed that if I simply took the dice into my hand in a certain order, "shook" them with two hands by sliding my hands against eachother, then spilled them out onto the table, I could consistantly eliminate 1s from my rolls in what ammounts to an inverse of my natural ability to roll 1s with one-handed rolling.

This sliding method of randomization is in fact a method of what I feel is cheating that I developed in rolling for D10-based White Wolf games.

Thus, from a Judging perspective, we need the ability to call players on their rolling methods if we spot what we deem to be a lack of randomization in their dice rolling. If we find ourselves getting a response from an obsinate player that equates to "gtfo" then we need to have some enforceable rules behind us when he go to penalize them. 

Note: I'm sharing my technique since I won't be competing at DMF:Charlotte. Before learning that, it was just my way of following the only established rules on rolling.

Cheers!

-teh Sig

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Pity we can't apply the cassino rules on dice, where they have to bounce off the back edge of the dice table to be a legal roll. I'd certianly suggest UDE rule that dice have to all be rolled at the same time to reduce manual manipulation. And also to reduce time wasted by rolling 10 dice 1 at a time.