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Ok at a locals I play at (santioned) the HJ/Tourny Organizer has been showing favoritism and bias lately. When I asked him to stop he said he was going to report me for all kinds of things (i didnt listen i just let him and his friend cheat to prevent any fights/arguements.)
 
I know you guys are all about details so I would like to explain my situation and some of the happenings.
 
Scenario 1: (Just today) I was Versing a Player Named John (the winner of this match got to advance to the top 2) and in the game the TO/HJ and a few of his friends were guiding him telling me "wait he may have a response to you targeting such and such with such and such" they kept saying these things already AFTER i had clearly asked "response?" and he haid said no. This cost me a massive game move in our duel because the TO/HJ made me back up and re allow him the chance to respond.
 
Scenario 2: (today same match as above) my opponent attacked my monster with his monster and I activated Honest. He then attacked  with a second monster and the HJ/TO stepped in and said i quote "wait john honest lasts until the end of the turn do not attack"  and I argued with him over that and he threatened to report me for a bunch of P1 Minor Penalty things and DQ me if I didnt let the player take the move back.
 
Scenario 3: (same match as above) After that incident he sat there watching everything I did and kept saying "DQ for illegal graveyard state" I placed the cards in the grave but not in the correct order they began as as I was putting select cards at the top because I was going to access them which i read up on and apparently isnt the best thing to do so if i get a penatly for it fine but he was sitting there harrasing me about it.
 
Scenario 4: In the final round of todays tournament another player was looking at the cards coming up in my deck and making comments like "scoop you cant win", "you cant beat him" and on and on and the TO/HJ sat there and watched it happened and did nothing about it.
 
I am hesitant to speak of this because i do not want him marking up me for a bunch of penalties and such in revenge. Others have witnessed these happenings as well. He is a lvl 1 TO and lvl 1 Judge. He said I was being a unfair player by "sharking" my opponents. I am not sure what that means the way I see it is he is breaking all the rules of a judge and a TO.
 
What can I do?

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You know what hides in the darkness however you dont know what there hiding from.

Level 1 Yugioh Rules
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You are the one that can report him for all the crap he did.. is he the store owner? If no, talk to the store owner to get him removed. If yes .... talk to all the other players and boycott the HJ/TO... only way he can learn it... it is not fair to judge the way you describe it.

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You are the one that can report him for all the crap he did.. is he the store owner? If no, talk to the store owner to get him removed. If yes .... talk to all the other players and boycott the HJ/TO... only way he can learn it... it is not fair to judge the way you describe it.

The problem is most of the people their are his buds and will deny any and all of this. Where would I report him at?

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You know what hides in the darkness however you dont know what there hiding from.

Level 1 Yugioh Rules
Level 1 Player Management

ok so this is how it went yes the judge did do that and no he is not the store owner. But he is head judge and for a player to argue with the HJ is not right and is grounds for DQ. And in the judge outlines, tim, a judge is aloud to help and coach. That is what he did.

And when you lost your deck box and had no side deck he let you play. In an official tournament that would have been a game lose and because you could not find it a match lose.

So QB and take it for what it is, did you win the tournament oh wait yes you did.

Are these sanctioned events? If so, you can email your concerns to judge@upperdeck.com.

If not, you'll have to deal with it on your own. Talk to the store owner or any players who you feel might be receptive.

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. And in the judge outlines, tim, a judge is aloud to help and coach. That is what he did.

Wow, that's grounds for cheating; a judge instructing a player on which cards to play.

OK the owner of this comment is a liar i was at the tournament am a level one judge and what the HJ did was justified. Tim is just pumping you full of crap i am sorry but in my opinion for not have a side and extra in the final round because he 'lost it' was grounds to DQ him right then. But whatever.

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ok so this is how it went yes the judge did do that and no he is not the store owner. But he is head judge and for a player to argue with the HJ is not right and is grounds for DQ. And in the judge outlines, tim, a judge is aloud to help and coach. That is what he did.

XD OMG.... and you can't talk to him after the tournament? In case you don't know, a judge is not a judge when a tournament is over!

And for helping a player to not attack into at monster because it is a misplay, is just bad judging..

Not stopping a player from looking at a players top card is epic fail... 

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Are these sanctioned events? If so, you can email your concerns to judge@upperdeck.com.

If not, you'll have to deal with it on your own. Talk to the store owner or any players who you feel might be receptive.

 

Ok This is the method to deal with it - The rest of the posts been pointless.

On another note, a judge shouldnt be coaching its aginst our role, Coaching in friendlies ok, sanc tourny = No

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OK the owner of this comment is a liar i was at the tournament am a level one judge and what the HJ did was justified. Tim is just pumping you full of crap i am sorry but in my opinion for not have a side and extra in the final round because he 'lost it' was grounds to DQ him right then. But whatever.

What you've stated is what we commonly refer to as "Reverse Engineering" By that we mean, assigning a penalty first before determining the infraction. Please do not do this. As a judge the correct proceedure should be first to determine if there is indeed an infraction and if so what that infraction is. Once the situation / scenario is fixed (if it can be fixed) then the correct penalty for that infraction should be assigned according to the UD Penalty Guidelines. Those same guidelines would help to understand what infraction has been commited if you'd please read them carefully.

I'm afraid your "Opinion" should have no bearing on what penalty should be applied. The infraction should be what determines the penalty. If during a match a player realized they had lost a side deck or extra deck, that would equate to Deck Error-Illegal Deck Sheet (Game Loss) The player would then be allowed to replace the lost items. If the player realized they were missing their Side Deck or Extra Deck before the match began, they should be allowed to replace it without penalty before the match begins so long as they do not delay the tournament greatly by doing so.

He was arguing with the judge during the tournament if that is what you are talking about.

Thats the thing he had no interest in replacing them. he just wanted the box back and we could not find it and he never did anything about it. I know the penalty rules and he will not receive any penalty from the tournament according to the judge of the tournament. And somewhat my opinion is needed because he lied to all of you. The story is a version of the trust. And this happened in the final match and people had places to go, so in a way he was holding things up.

2371812:

ok so this is how it went yes the judge did do that and no he is not the store owner. But he is head judge and for a player to argue with the HJ is not right and is grounds for DQ. And in the judge outlines, tim, a judge is aloud to help and coach. That is what he did.

And when you lost your deck box and had no side deck he let you play. In an official tournament that would have been a game lose and because you could not find it a match lose.

So QB and take it for what it is, did you win the tournament oh wait yes you did.

Again, you're not paying attention to the UD Penalty Guidelines. Those same guidelines clearly outline (and give examples) of what mandates a disqualification. Debating with the Head Judge is not an infraction that mandates disqualification.

A judge is allowed to give game mechanics to help a player understand the game. A judge should not at anytime though, give advice or coach players as to how or when to play their cards or what plays to make.

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He was arguing with the judge during the tournament if that is what you are talking about.

If the player was debating with the Head Judge during a match then the Head Judge should inform the player that they need to focus on the game and move on. The Head Judge should also inform the player that they'd be happy to discuss the matter after the match or after the tournament. If the player insists on continuing to debate then it would be apropriate to assign a Procedural Error-Slow Play (Warning) with instruction that continued debate would result in an additional penalty that would be upgraded in severity.

If the player was debating between rounds and explaining their viewpoint or opinion that is acceptable so long as the player is doing so respectuflly. The Head Judge should listen to the player and do everything within their power to help resolves situations.

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Thats the thing he had no interest in replacing them. he just wanted the box back and we could not find it and he never did anything about it. I know the penalty rules and he will not receive any penalty from the tournament according to the judge of the tournament. And somewhat my opinion is needed because he lied to all of you. The story is a version of the trust. And this happened in the final match and people had places to go, so in a way he was holding things up.

If the player could not replace their Side Deck or Extra Deck and still had a legal Main Deck when it was time for tournament play to begin once again, it would be apropriate to correct the deck sheet to match the deck. ( Thus deleting the Extra Deck and Side Deck from the Deck Sheet) The infraction would then be Deck Error-Illegal Deck List (Game Loss) Then play should proceed to game 2.