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Ok I'm not sure if this has been asked before but here is the scenario.

I have 2 Oppression set.
My opponent declares contact fusion and sends the material for Gyzarus back into the deck and I paid 800 and flipped my Oppresion.
Opponent chained Dust Tornado and successfully destroying it.
Gyzarus is special summoned.
At this point, can I open my second Oppression to negate the special summon? Or was my activation timing of the first Oppression wrong?

Alternative: What if my second set card was let's say a Solemn Judgement, can I open Solemn during the special summon of Gyzarus?

Negation in the game of Yugioh needs to be in direct response to the card you're trying to negate. So, in your scenario, if you responded to the summon with Royal Oppression and your opponent chained Dust Tornado, at this point anything else is not in direct response to the summon and would be unable to negate it.

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Please keep in mind that "Dust Tornado" may not be a valid card activation since you are in the Summon Negation Window.

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But oppression has to be face up to take effect since it is a continuous trap, right?
Is it wrong to destroy oppression in a chain to prevent it from negating the special summon?

So which is the correct timing to flip my oppression?
1) During declaration of contact summon (which happens to be the shuffling back of gladiator beast, since you can activate oppression when Gladiators tag out)
2) When Gyzarus is placed on the field (before activating its effect).

And also, could you please explain the Summon negation window?

To clarify what Simon said above -

We are waiting for clarification surrounding a player(s) ability to activate other Spell-Speed 2 effects such as "Dust Tornado" or "Skill Drain" during the summon negation window.

As such, when you activate "Royal Oppression" in response to the Special Summon of "Gladiator Beast Gyzarus", it may be impossible for your opponent to chain "Dust Tornado" in order to destroy it and cause its effect to disappear.

 

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What do you mean by "may be"?  I've been wondering the same thing.  Activating a Chian link 2 effect to negate a Summon is nothing new, since Royal Oppression has always used the Chain even before the ruling reversal, so what cards may and may not be activated during that window?

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What do you mean by "may be"?  I've been wondering the same thing.  Activating a Chian link 2 effect to negate a Summon is nothing new, since Royal Oppression has always used the Chain even before the ruling reversal, so what cards may and may not be activated during that window?

One way it could go, and the way Simon goes with, is that the only cards that can be used in the summon negation chain are cards that negate the summon (the first chain link) or cards that negate the cards that negate the summon.  Neither Dust nor MST negate the negating card.

The other way is any card is possible as long as the first chain link negates the summon and the later chain links are valid (of equal or greater spell speed)

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Reishi:

And also, could you please explain the Summon negation window?

Sure thing...

With Normal, Tribute and Inherent Special Summons there a point where the summon can be negated.
This point is what I like to call the Summon Negation Window.  This is not an official term, to my knowledge, it is just a term to help explain this point in the Summoning process.

It is during the Summon Negation Window that the monster has left the hand (or Fusion Deck, or where ever), but has not yet made it to the field.  It is in a 'limbo' state waiting to resolve to the field.  This is the point where you can activate cards like "Solemn Judgment", "Black Horn of Heaven", "Forced Back", "Royal Oppression", etc...

As Kalani explained above, we do not have any confirmation from Konami as to what exactly can be activated during this 'window'.  What we do know that can be activated are: Summon negators like I listed above, and then any cards that would negate those summon negators ("Dark Bribe", "Seven Tools of the Bandit", etc..).  Most of the allowed cards just happen to be Counter Traps.

For some reason, this issue was never any concern to players or judges in the past because "Royal Oppression" wasn't widely used.  But since it has become extremely popular, it has brought up this issue because "Royal Oppression" is not a Counter Trap; therefore, other Spell Speed 2 effects could be chained to it during this Summon Negation Window.

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966558:

With Normal, Tribute and Inherent Special Summons there a point where the summon can be negated.

Let's not forget Flip Summon

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It is in a 'limbo' state

I thought we could call it the 'Neutral Zone'

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Screw the money, I have rules!

As it currently stands - both rulings are correct, leaving it up to the Judge on a Case-by-Case (or more accurately, a Tournament-by-tournament) basis to determine whether Spell Speed 2 effects other than "Royal Oppression" can be activated during the Summon Negation Window.

If it is ruled that you can only activate "Summon Negation" cards, and cards which can counter the effect of a Trap Card(s) during the "Summon Negation Window", that still leaves us one over-looked option for shutting down Oppression - namely "Herald of Purple Light".

This only brings up the question of whether "Herald of Purple Light" would be able to activate its effect during the "Summon Negation Window" in order to negate the activation and effect of "Royal Oppression" and destroy it.

This is something I hope they clarify at the same time, as it is only a matter of time before some clever player decides to use this very tactic, and finds a way of exploiting it.

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It can be activated on either player's turn.

Do we have reason to believe one might not be able to activate something like Dust Tornado in response to a negating effect? While we're still waiting for confirmation I understand and agree that it could use some clarification...however, we have no reason to believe one couldn't at this time.

Obviously this has larger ramifications and it should be interesting.

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1838453:

It can be activated on either player's turn.

Thats what I get for googling the card effect rather than reading it directly from the card. I thought that it was a little strange that it could only be activated during an opponents turn - Like I said in a previous thread, it pays to be observant and not make assumptions, even about the accuracy of another person's transcription.

I will edit my original post.

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Can't negation effects be used anytime as long as the spell speed is correct? Multi-trigger monsters like Sorceror of Dark Magic can be used during the damage step to negate trap cards (as long as they aren't counter traps). So why wouldn't Herald be able to be used during the Summon negation window? I know the situation is different, but it pertains to special situations with special rules, both of which being situations where negation should be able to be used freely.

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Being the bigger man is overrated...

Should Konami define the Summon Negation Window to state something to the effect of:

Spell Speed 2 effects cannot be activated during the Summon Negation Chain, except if their effect has the effect of negating the summon of a monster.

- Then it will be one of those "because Konami said so" rulings. More logically however, such a ruling should say something to the effect of:

Spell Speed 2 effects cannot be activated during the Summon Negation Chain, except if their effect has the effect of negating the summon of a monster, or a card already on the chain (eg. "Royal Oppression", or "Herald of Purple Light")

Konami can always swing the other direction, and state that:

During the Summon Negation Chain, both players can activate any Spell Speed 2 or 3 card effect whose timing is correct, providing that the card on chain link 1 has the effect of negating the summon of a monster(s) and that no card(s) with a higher Spell Speed have been activated previously during the same chain.

Should they do so, the possible exception pertaining to "Herald of Purple Light" becomes a moot point. Not only that, but it would open up a whole new bag of tricks including the activation of "Skill Drain", "Waboku" and other chainable Spells and Traps during the "Summon Negation Chain", ultimately requiring further clarification with something akin to the following:

During the Summon Negation Chain, the monster being summoned cannot be the target of, and is unaffected by the effects of any card which does not negate the summon of a monster(s).

Example 1: Player A activates the effect of "Destiny Hero - Dasher" in his graveyard revealing "Jinzo" and Special Summons "Jinzo" to the field, and has "Mystical Space Typhoon" in their hand.

Player B chains "Royal Oppression" and pays 800 Life points to negate the effect of "Destiny Hero - Dasher" and destroy it

Player A chains "Mystical Space Typhoon" targeting "Royal Oppression.

Player B has a face-down "Compulsory Evacuation Device". She cannot activate "Compulsory Evaction Device" targeting "Jinzo", as "Jinzo is not considered on the field until it has been summoned successfully. She could, however activate "Compulsory Evacuation Device" and target a different monster, if she chooses.

Example 2: Player A Special Summons "Cyber Dragon" and has two monsters on their side of the field.

Player B chains "Royal Oppression" and pays 800 Life Points to negate the Special Summon of "Cyber Dragon" and destroy it.

Player A has no response. Player B chains "Just Deserts". Assuming neither player has any additional responses, when "Just Deserts" resolves, Player A will lose 1000 Life Points, as "Cyber Dragon" is not yet considered on the field.

You cannot activate "Bottomless Trap Hole", "Torrential Tribute" and similar cards during the Summon Negation Chain, as these cards can only be activated when a monster is successfully summoned.

Until we hear the official answer on this issue, anything we say at this point is purely accademic.

Hope this helps.

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