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I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

Last post 08-28-2008, 1:16 PM by chaoscontrol2400. 59 replies.
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  •  08-08-2008, 12:41 PM 1353752 in reply to 1353736

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    i still dont see the reason for don zalog......
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  •  08-08-2008, 2:05 PM 1354051 in reply to 1353752

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    2272967:
    i still dont see the reason for don zalog......

    He's good, that's why. I'm personally not a big fan of the Tomato Swap hand control deck that totally focuses SOLEY around Don Zaloog simply because it sucks if you don't draw your support cards (Shrink, Smashing Ground, Hammer Shot, etc...). However, teching 1 random Don in this format is amazing. Do you know Cho Yim? He's the #1 rated player in Alabama that I beat in Knoxville 3 weeks ago. Anyway, Don gave him fits. So much in fact that both he and his brother (Chi Hoi Yim) both ran Don Zaloog hand control decks in Nashville this past weekend and both made top 8. In my deck 1 random Don fits perfectly. I have Mirror Force, 3 Bottomless Trap Holes, 3 Dimensional Prisons, 2 Book of Moons, and maybe 1 Enemy Controller (if I decide to not run Return) to protect Don and I have 2 ROTA's and a Sangan to fish him out. I love this move: Cyber Dragon, Smash/Nobleman, ROTA for Don, summon Don, attack, set a D. Prison/Bottomless, pass turn. That series of moves (or slight variations) happens pretty consistantly with my build. You of all people should understand the importance of hand advantage since you run a P.A.C.M.A.N. deck.


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  •  08-08-2008, 3:44 PM 1354378 in reply to 1348026

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    i know what you mean about CCV but glad beast are fast and consistant so you have put that into consideration

     

    slate warrior is amazing im with you on this one

     

    dont main oppression side mask of restrict main PMD basically only raiza and get you! and no more burn decks so yea main PMD side pulling the rugs 2 of them and main disc commander with limit reverse and armgeddon knights and kuraz some PMD spear CRITINS to get Kuraz to blow up there monster they got and one of yours THAT DECK HAS BUNCH OF DRAW POWER  run with DOMC and CCV spirit reaper pwn just a deck idea





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  •  08-08-2008, 4:01 PM 1354410 in reply to 1354051

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    He's good, that's why. I'm personally not a big fan of the Tomato Swap hand control deck that totally focuses SOLEY around Don Zaloog simply because it sucks if you don't draw your support cards (Shrink, Smashing Ground, Hammer Shot, etc...). However, teching 1 random Don in this format is amazing. Do you know Cho Yim? He's the #1 rated player in Alabama that I beat in Knoxville 3 weeks ago. Anyway, Don gave him fits. So much in fact that both he and his brother (Chi Hoi Yim) both ran Don Zaloog hand control decks in Nashville this past weekend and both made top 8. In my deck 1 random Don fits perfectly. I have Mirror Force, 3 Bottomless Trap Holes, 3 Dimensional Prisons, 2 Book of Moons, and maybe 1 Enemy Controller (if I decide to not run Return) to protect Don and I have 2 ROTA's and a Sangan to fish him out. I love this move: Cyber Dragon, Smash/Nobleman, ROTA for Don, summon Don, attack, set a D. Prison/Bottomless, pass turn. That series of moves (or slight variations) happens pretty consistantly with my build. You of all people should understand the importance of hand advantage since you run a P.A.C.M.A.N. deck.

     

       Well u see the diffrence is that i am the one gaining hand control......not them and the other diffrence is i toped at 4 out of the 5 regioanls i been in....lol....and Don Zalog has not appeared in the top and it probably never will but thats just in Missouri i never played in Alabama so i dont know waht people run there.....Everyone in missouri runs meta decks and i completely demolish them ......lol.....also i just dont see pulling off Cyber Dragon into don them nobleman or smash everytime....u try that at a Shoen Jump u will get Rick  Rocked.......Ur wasting ur hand to fast with no draw power... big deal u get off a combo and then make them - 1 Card u just used 4 cards to make them - 1 thats not good odds......

     

    Now Ima do myself a Favor and make this deck and try it mabye its better than i give it credit so ima try it i aint net decking it so dont think that...i am just going to see if ur right about this deck.......


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  •  08-08-2008, 4:05 PM 1354420 in reply to 1354378

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    No way he shouldnt main PMD now that i noticed how his build runs and what would be the point of Siding mask of restrict anyway if he ran PMD? Also...Sideing PMD is better because Caius dont have to target a monster........Neither Does DAD or hardly any of the main cards being played
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  •  08-09-2008, 9:17 AM 1355543 in reply to 1354410

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    2272967:
     

       Well u see the diffrence is that i am the one gaining hand control......not them and the other diffrence is i toped at 4 out of the 5 regioanls i been in....lol....and Don Zalog has not appeared in the top and it probably never will but thats just in Missouri i never played in Alabama so i dont know waht people run there.....Everyone in missouri runs meta decks and i completely demolish them ......lol.....also i just dont see pulling off Cyber Dragon into don them nobleman or smash everytime....u try that at a Shoen Jump u will get Rick  Rocked.......Ur wasting ur hand to fast with no draw power... big deal u get off a combo and then make them - 1 Card u just used 4 cards to make them - 1 thats not good odds......

     

    Now Ima do myself a Favor and make this deck and try it mabye its better than i give it credit so ima try it i aint net decking it so dont think that...i am just going to see if ur right about this deck.......


    First of all I do think it's cool you've toped 4 out of 5 regionals. Secondly, with Don Zaloog you're still getting hand control, just in a different way. Instead of creating more options for yourself you're keeping the current options that you have and taking options away from your opponent. It's kind of taking a more aggro approach to reaching the same goal that your deck does. Don't you think it's sounds just as dangerous (if not moreso) for you to have 3 cards and your opponent has 1 compared to you having 6 cards and your opponent having 4? In both scenarios your opponent is at a minus 2, but if you think about it they have less viable options to pull out of their card disadvantage if they only have 1 card in hand.

    Anyway, as far as the combo is concerned that's not the ONLY way I use Don. It just happens to be a great combo that pops up a lot. With all of my traps and quickplay spells I can back my Don up quite a bit, and with the DD family along with Smash and Nobleman I can take the aggro approach for squeezing Don through. Man, the more I think about 3 DD Warriors the happier it makes me. Lol.

    Oh, by the way, you know how you were talking about people in Missouri all running Meta decks and you're the only one who smacks them around. It's a similar situation in AL, GA, and TN (the 3 places I play). EVERYONE runs meta and either 7/8 or 8/8 from top 8 consists of meta. This past Saturday was the first time I'd ever seen 2 non meta decks in the top 8. Cho and Chi Hoi both kind of broke the mold with their DZ hand control. I just didn't want you to think that these 3 states have a whole bunch of random jank decks running around and Don Zaloog was the best we could muster. It's pretty much the same crappy boring meta that the rest of the US runs. I really wish the entire internet would shut down for about a month so that people would be forced to come up with deck ideas on their own instead of using the latest net deck....

    Anyway, I hope you do build my deck and see how it runs. That's really the best way to accurately evaluate a deck and make the best possible changes. I know I got a bit ticked off when you were bashing Slate, but now that I've yanked him out and added a 3rd Kycoo and a 3 DD Warrior I think it actually runs a bit smoother, so thanks. Crush stays in though. My deck doesn't revolve around it (just like Bellido's, Bowling's, and Corn's don't) and I can definitely win without it. However, in the instance that I do pull it off it certainly gives me a HUGE advantage over my opponent. It's just one of those cards that's too good NOT to run. You know? The few times that it actually is a dead card in my hand I can just set it as a bluff or discard it with Snip Hunter. Either way it serves a purpose. Anyway, let me know how playtesting my deck goes.

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  •  08-09-2008, 2:59 PM 1356369 in reply to 1355543

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    lol....u know what dude..Crush is a big reason why i topped most of the time and all but 3 of my monsters are viable targets for it.....but i still win without it and its great to know my deck has this capability...

    Also...i tried this deck today at a local tourny......i didnt play test it before either......i got 3 out of 16 people witch i thought was great considering i never played the deck before....the card that stopped me from winning was unfortunately Celestia not Judgement.....lol.....

    *All respect the Don


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  •  08-09-2008, 11:01 PM 1357356 in reply to 1356369

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    Dude, Celestia really irks me too. Using Light Imprisoning Mirror in the side works a lot more effectively against her, but I'm so freaking terrified of POC now that I feel forced to run Divine Wrath in the side instead. It kinda sucks though because in a Lightsworn matchup you might have to use it against a Lyla instead to preserve your Royal Oppression an then they just drop Celestia 2 turns later. I wish I could have a 20 card side....

    Anyway, so did you like the deck? Don's an annoying little SOB isn't he? Lol.

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  •  08-11-2008, 10:33 AM 1359747 in reply to 1357356

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    lol....ya celestia is a *** to deal with .....lol.....but sadly i didnt have any problems with gyzarus.....i thiks thats because i kept removing besteari though....

    And ya Don is good but i still Dont like him its not that he suks its just i have a diffrent play style


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  •  08-12-2008, 5:10 AM 1361609 in reply to 1359747

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    Fair enough. I'm glad you kicked the crap of Gyzarus though. Lol. I hate that son of a ****.
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  •  08-12-2008, 5:18 AM 1361628 in reply to 1361609

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    By the way, did you play with Return in the deck or did you leave Enemy Controller in that slot?
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  •  08-12-2008, 1:56 PM 1362925 in reply to 1361628

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    I played it with return.....i only got to use it once but its the reason i won...lol...
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  •  08-13-2008, 1:19 PM 1364818 in reply to 1361609

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    as always i  like to see antimeta decks..... and yours is bad but great at the same time... sucks for me im running glad beasts now... mines not the same tho i have a sarco in it!unlike most others
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  •  08-13-2008, 2:36 PM 1365021 in reply to 1364818

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    Aw, you're playing Gladiator Beasts now? Boooooo! j/k Lol.

    You know what's kind of funny though? The term "anti-meta deck". Think about it. What's a pretty common "anti-meta deck"? Gadget Oppression or Monarch Oppression, right? While those decks may not be quite as popular as Lightsworn, DAD, or Gladiator Beasts they're still a fairly popular decks, and the build that everyone uses for each of them is pretty much the same. Since those are such popular deck ideas wouldn't that make them meta?

    <Shrugs> I definitley consider my deck anti-meta, but that's because no one runs the same deck concept that I do PLUS it runs a lot of cards that disrupt the meta. I just think it's a little funny hearing people say "I run an anti-meta deck" when all they really did was copy the latest Gadget or Monarch Oppression build off the internet. True deckbuilding is such a lost art these days....


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  •  08-13-2008, 3:09 PM 1365063 in reply to 1365021

    Re: I did pretty poorly with this in Nashville this past Saturday....

    i normaly run UFOroid Fighter or E-hero skill drain. i am the anti-meta hands down!

    but last regionals i went to it would seem DAD and GB were anti meta there were only 3 other(i ran DAD lol) DAD decks and 3 GBs.. everyone ran monarchs...

    but i also have a Sarco to use so i lol at all you


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