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Hmm...So let's see....Cyber-Stein was banned mid-format but that was a christmas present if I remember correctly. Are we getting an Easter present this year?

After it ruins the entire Summer of Yu-Gi-Oh? Traveling becomes 10x more realistic for most people in the Summer. Its a joke if they expect average people to pay 150$ and drive 6 hours to play in a 5 hour SJC where 65% of the decks end the game within 2 turns.

That's if you plan on playing. I don't see a reason anymore if most duels are just 1-3 turns.

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Hmm...So let's see....Cyber-Stein was banned mid-format but that was a christmas present if I remember correctly. Are we getting an Easter present this year?

After it ruins the entire Summer of Yu-Gi-Oh? Traveling becomes 10x more realistic for most people in the Summer. Its a joke if they expect average people to pay 150$ and drive 6 hours to play in a 5 hour SJC where 65% of the decks end the game within 2 turns.

That's if you plan on playing. I don't see a reason anymore if most duels are just 1-3 turns.

Ya besides just explosion, DAD decks, DDT, and Plants can all generally otk in the first 3 turns as well.

I got to watch a "Darklord Zerato" deck tear people up at this last weekend's events here.  FTKs abound...

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Your more likely to mill out your Magical Explosions with the way these builds are.  And when you try to get them back only to see those Crowed as well, then what?

And even if you are able to get it off the first time, do you really think you're likely to get it off again against good players?  This is just like the "outrage" over how dominant the Demise decks would be.  Well let's see, they flamed out in the first SJC they were featured in, won the next one, and then faded back into obscurity thereafter because people were ready on how to beat them so it became nothing more than the tech deck or 2 that might have made it to the top again.

It's almost amusing to see all the kneejerk reactions when changes come and people think "the format is ruined... because nothing was done about <whatever> this deck type will dominate" and then when the game was actually played... well gee, guess things didn't work as well as everyone thought. 

Costa Mesa is going to get its 1000 people due to the prizes but come Columbus I see there being a 30% attendence drop off from last year and that thrend continuing until either something is done or we see <100 people SJCs in Hawaii and Missuouri and ultimately <100 SJCs being the average.

Great now UDE wants EVERY ONE to main DD crow

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Your more likely to mill out your Magical Explosions with the way these builds are.  And when you try to get them back only to see those Crowed as well, then what?

And even if you are able to get it off the first time, do you really think you're likely to get it off again against good players?  This is just like the "outrage" over how dominant the Demise decks would be.  Well let's see, they flamed out in the first SJC they were featured in, won the next one, and then faded back into obscurity thereafter because people were ready on how to beat them so it became nothing more than the tech deck or 2 that might have made it to the top again.

It's almost amusing to see all the kneejerk reactions when changes come and people think "the format is ruined... because nothing was done about <whatever> this deck type will dominate" and then when the game was actually played... well gee, guess things didn't work as well as everyone thought. 

Optimist much? GOOD ME FTK are nothing but Draw. Look at the list. 3 Hand Destruction, 3 Allure, 3 D.Draw, 3 Trade-In, and Diamond Dude. That's a total of 24 Cards draw possible a turn. Include in that DMOC, 30 Draws, Include in that the 3 Valleys, that's 36 tops, include Dimension Fusion to return the valleys, that's 45. A MAX of 45 draws in ONE turn. The odds of NOT getting 2 ME are low. And even WITHOUT it, I have seen Dogmas summoned on opening turn replacing the need for a 2nd, I've seen ME Aggro FTK, the potential is truly endless on what will happen to you.

Sorry for being a OPTIMIST at what WILL happen, but you're overrating Crow's capabilities.

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this list stinks, It is a piece of lemon! It is a joke! UDE is kidding!

It is a crazy list... ban call of  the haunted but limit monster reborn? in which mind does it go?

It is a copy of the OCG list, and it seems ude does not think that  Japan and the TCG are not the same worlds concerning to this game. the way of playing is totally different!

madness !!!!

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Magical Explosion should never ever ever ever ever ever ever main deck Diamond Dude.


Lets set up my SECOND TURN when I am going to FIRST Turn Kill

And losing Dimension Fusion is another way to kill things off if you're relying on the Valleys.  I'm not saying the deck isn't good (since it's been played before to moderate success), but even with the changes, when push comes to shove, I don't see someone being consistantly lucky enough to pull it off let's see... 30 times to win Costa Mesa?  Figuring on 10 rounds on day 1, and then 5 more on day 2.  The fact that they are cutting to the top 32 is the only thing that might give it more of a fighting chance.  And personally I think the best players will be able to stop it over a 3 round match more often than you think it will be gotten off.

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Magical Explosion should never ever ever ever ever ever ever main deck Diamond Dude.


Lets set up my SECOND TURN when I am going to FIRST Turn Kill

Dump a free spell (+1 towards ME's effect, if it hits something you don't want, IE: Hand Destruction, you're 1 closer to what you do want), tribute to summon a Dogma if necessary

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You all just made us wait more than half a day for not one change?

That's disgusting to the people that buy your product. Absolutely disgusting. Thanks for nothing UDE. I was hoping to go to my first regional this time around, and now I would rather quit the game all together. I can honestly now see you have no consideration for consumer opinions...

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And losing Dimension Fusion is another way to kill things off if you're relying on the Valleys.  I'm not saying the deck isn't good (since it's been played before to moderate success), but even with the changes, when push comes to shove, I don't see someone being consistantly lucky enough to pull it off let's see... 30 times to win Costa Mesa?  Figuring on 10 rounds on day 1, and then 5 more on day 2.  The fact that they are cutting to the top 32 is the only thing that might give it more of a fighting chance.  And personally I think the best players will be able to stop it over a 3 round match more often than you think it will be gotten off.

lol you don't need to be lucky to win with explosion, you need to be lucky to win against it.

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Magical Explosion should never ever ever ever ever ever ever main deck Diamond Dude.


Lets set up my SECOND TURN when I am going to FIRST Turn Kill

Dump a free spell (+1 towards ME's effect, if it hits something you don't want, IE: Hand Destruction, you're 1 closer to what you do want), tribute to summon a Dogma if necessary

Yes. Hitting a Quick-Play with Diamond Dude is good.

The deck wins 85% of the time w.o Dude and I would say 50% with Dude.

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And losing Dimension Fusion is another way to kill things off if you're relying on the Valleys.  I'm not saying the deck isn't good (since it's been played before to moderate success), but even with the changes, when push comes to shove, I don't see someone being consistantly lucky enough to pull it off let's see... 30 times to win Costa Mesa?  Figuring on 10 rounds on day 1, and then 5 more on day 2.  The fact that they are cutting to the top 32 is the only thing that might give it more of a fighting chance.  And personally I think the best players will be able to stop it over a 3 round match more often than you think it will be gotten off.

Experience actually using it begs to SERIOUSLY differ. And why do you keep assuming that you'll even DRAW Crow FIRST TURN?

7.5% to 8.3% chance of drawing it approximate presuming you don't draw any Cards 1-4. (Presuming Card 1 = 7.5%, Card 5 = 8.3%). Whereas ME FTK has a 85+% chance of FTKing regardless WHAT it draws. Do you know how much "Stacking" that would require?

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