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GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

Last post 10-07-2008, 6:42 PM by 104551316 - Big Boi. 19 replies.
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  •  10-04-2008, 10:31 PM 1465298

    GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    gladitor beast darius is normal sumoned .

    the specilas out test tiger.

    then i sac my test tigr - effect.

    my opponet wants to negate thw monster i was bringing out by test tiger.

    aka solemn vs test tigers monster thathat was specialed out ?

    so dcan ni do this or do i have to negate test tiger ?

     

    GB W/ Test Tiger Vs Solemn ?

     

     


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  •  10-04-2008, 10:43 PM 1465300 in reply to 1465298

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    Solemn Judgment cannot be chained to a monster effect at any time.

    It can only be chained to the activation of a Spell, Trap, or the Summon of a monster.

    Since its effect negates the summon, if the summon is occuring as a result of a card effect, it must be chained to the activation of that effect (eg. Monster Reborn, Call of the Haunted, etc).

    Since it cannot be chained to the activation of a monster effect (since it does not negate monster effects), it cannot negate a summon which occurs as a result of said.In fact, there is currently one and only one "Summon Negation" card whose effect can be chained to the activation of a monster effect and that is "Royal Oppression", and even then - you cannot activate it during the damage step.

    There are however, numerous cards which negate (or interrupt) monster effects which could be used including (but not limited to) GB War Chariot, Divine Wrath, Skill Drain, SIM, LIM, Book of Moon, Enemy Controller, Compulsory Evacuation Device etc.

    To answer your question: For the above reasons, your opponent cannot chain Solemn Judgment to the activation of Test Tigers effect, or in response to the summon of a monster which occurs as a result of its effect since it misses the timing to do so.

     



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  •  10-05-2008, 6:43 AM 1465526 in reply to 1465300

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    the correct play.

    use solemn judgment to negate special summon of test tiger.


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  •  10-05-2008, 8:18 AM 1465693 in reply to 1465526

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    Personally, I prefer the no-cost method:

    Chain "Summon Limit" to the activation of Test Tigers effect.

    TTs effect is not negated and returns the targeted GB to the deck, after which Summon Limit shuts down their ability to summon another monster, resulting in them having an open field.



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  •  10-05-2008, 9:07 AM 1465828 in reply to 1465693

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    To my understanding, I don't think it would result into an open field.
    Since sending back the GB to the deck is not a cost but part of the effect, summon limit would prevent the effect to be resolved completely.
    Hence, The GB would stay on the field, and Test Tiger effect would disappear.
  •  10-05-2008, 9:47 AM 1465913 in reply to 1465828

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    Incorrect.

    This is similar to what happens in the case of Protector of the Sanctuary vs. Morphing Jar.

    Both players will still discard their hands, however the opponent will not draw any cards as this part of the effect is being prevented.

    The same applies in this situation.

    Test Tiger returns the selected GB to its owners deck and attempts to special summon another GB, however since the TP has reached their 2 summon limit, the special summon part of its effect disappears.

    This does in fact result in an open field, and unless the TP can remove Summon Limit, they will not be able to summon any other monsters this turn, and will have an open field come the NTPs next turn.

    Similar situations occur in respect to:

    • Allure of Darkness vs. Imperial Iron Wall
    • Book of Life vs. D.D. Crow
    • Protector of the Sanctuary vs. Kuraz the Light Monarch
    • etc

    In all such cases, you resolve as much of the cards effect as is possible, and the part which cannot resolve simply disappears.



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  •  10-05-2008, 9:58 AM 1465926 in reply to 1465913

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    So why Hand Destruction VS Protector of the Sanctuary is different then? Just a "BKSS" case?
  •  10-05-2008, 11:29 AM 1466093 in reply to 1465926

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    Not really. When "Protector of the Sanctuary" is on your side of the field, neither player can choose to activate a card effect which would force your opponent to draw a card(s).

    It does not prevent a player from activating a card effect which they have no control over (such as a flip effect or mandatory trigger effect), nor does it apply to card effects with optional draw effects.

    Hand Destruction cannot be activated except as a result of a conscious decision. As a result, neither player can choose to activate this card effect while PotS is face-up on the field.

    In the OCG, Kuraz the Light Monarch had an optional draw effect.

    When it was translated into English for the TCG, this optional effect was accidentilly mis-translated to become a mandatory draw effect.

    This caused a great deal of controversy, since in the OCG - Kuraz could be activated while PotS was on the field since the controller of the detroyed card(s) was not forced to draw a cards, and could always choose not to draw.

    However, in the TCG - the draw effect is mandatory and by its wording, could not be activated while PotS was on the field.

    That was however, until such times as an official ruling was released which clarified how Kuraz' effect was intended to function. While the draw effect is still mandatory in the TCG, the rulings for its effect are the same as it is in the OCG.

    This is a BKSS ruling which resulted due to a tranlation error. We may see the effect of Kuraz errata'ed in the future bringing its text in line with the OCG effect however I see this as unlikely.

    Morphing Jar has a flip effect. Being a flip effect, the controller of Morphing Jar has no control over when (and how) morphing jar will activate.

    Since flip effects activate automatically in much the same way that a mandatory trigger effect activates automatically, PotS will not prevent these effects from being activated.

    It only prevents the activation of card effects which the controller of that effect has any control over.



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  •  10-05-2008, 7:56 PM 1467122 in reply to 1465298

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    ok this is main thing

    i summon beastari ( opponet says ok )

    sp test tigerz ( opponet says ok )

    efefct tribs ( oked )

    brings out murmilo ( opponet says solemn it )

    can they solemn it ?


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  •  10-05-2008, 8:01 PM 1467126 in reply to 1467122

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    No, they cannot.

    Solemn Judgement cannot be activated in response to another monster's external summoning effect(s) or effects that use the chain.


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  •  10-05-2008, 8:20 PM 1467140 in reply to 1467126

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    wish u wuld of anwsred sat night 4 me these peps just spammed my question this determained my game and peps didnt belive me on it so i asked 4 him !

     

    thanks alot


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  •  10-05-2008, 8:38 PM 1467164 in reply to 1467140

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    I did answer your question. Re-read the post immediately under your original question.

    I clearly stated that Solemn Judgment cannot be activated in response to a monster effect (including Test Tiger), and explained the reasoning behind this.

    At least - I thought I stated it clearly.



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  •  10-05-2008, 8:45 PM 1467170 in reply to 1467164

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    I read your answer, and I agree - You stated it very clearly (although highly intellectually).
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  •  10-05-2008, 8:47 PM 1467177 in reply to 1467170

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    i even gave the correct play.
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  •  10-05-2008, 8:55 PM 1467189 in reply to 1467177

    Re: GB's W/ Test Tiger vs Solemn

    u guyz did but ualso spamed with q's about hand destruction and protector and etc.. went off subject so i figured u didnt know what yeahh was talkign about - sorry !

     

    i lok 4 certain peps to anwser my q's

     

    Simon Key

    Franklin

    Johnist

    Curtius

    Juli

    and etc... big named peps


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